Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

..............people wake up! we cannot proof something that cannot be seen. And yet it vibrates all around us does that mean it doesn't exist? LOL

Seriously theres no point on arguing with closed minded people. Know your self, know the truth. Keep an eye on everything..and see the truth.

We cannot explain something that doesn't follow our scientific calculations! never heard that? LOL math isn't perfect, such as we aint perfect that doesn't mean we are stupid right?

Did we come to this life just to uncover psychic abilities? and use it against us as we did on Weapons and atomic bombs? gosh...
Reality is something that we will never understand..it has no shape nor even colors and yet we percieve it in full in color.
Oobe or LD's real or not real? who cares? no one has a profit out of it so why bother explaining its existance?

Oneironaught- The fact that others have failed, still does not make me or psychokinesis a fake. It simply doesn't. All it states is that many people want to get rich, doing fake things. It does not mean that this is fake. You are acting like just because other people can't do it, it's not real. Yet that's simply not true.

Also, The randi challenge is crap now. Now, you have to be a scientist or a person with a high educational back round to even try to enter his challenge.

And guess what, there was a pretty good psion who attempted to go to the randi challenge and he wasn't allowed. So no, not ANYBODY can go. Do some research please.

Again, if you don't wanna believe in this stuff, that's fine. But it's doing you no good to tell me I'm fake and that this is fake. I'm pretty sure that I have seen myself performing PK so hearing you say that does not sway my opinion. And note, I am not trying to sway your opinion, I'm trying to open minds, so that they decide to believe in this themselves.

Born 2 kill- Good post and I understand what you are saying. However, I would really like to help others understand what their mind can do, and I love seeing another person succeed in these skills. However, there is no point in trying argue it's proof, since words will not get us anywhere.

Brandon

Ok people. I gave you the proof, the scientific evidence. Scientific studies prove its real. You cant argue with science, I'm sorry. You asked for the proof, we provided. And parapsycology includes PK.

"Ok people. I gave you the proof, the scientific evidence. Scientific studies prove its real. You cant argue with science, I'm sorry. You asked for the proof, we provided. And parapsycology includes PK."

Scientific studies like wikipedia and Uri Geller?

There is no scientific evidence for any of that nonsense.

The answer to the original question - if LD is real, what about the other stuff? Is this: Lucid Dreaming does not involve supernatural forces or souls. Lucid dreaming is simply having a conscious portion of your brain active while your body sleeps. To go from being aware that you're dreaming to believing in telekinesis, big foot, or esp is a BIG leap.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Oneironaught- The fact that others have failed, still does not make me or psychokinesis a fake. It simply doesn't. All it states is that many people want to get rich, doing fake things.

Now, with that, I agree 100%

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Is this: Lucid Dreaming does not involve supernatural forces or souls. Lucid dreaming is simply having a conscious portion of your brain active while your body sleeps. To go from being aware that you're dreaming to believing in telekinesis, big foot, or esp is a BIG leap.

Exactly my underlying point. Thank you.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

"Ok people. I gave you the proof, the scientific evidence. Scientific studies prove its real. You cant argue with science, I'm sorry. You asked for the proof, we provided. And parapsycology includes PK."

Scientific studies like wikipedia and Uri Geller?

There is no scientific evidence for any of that nonsense.

Gumby made an earlier post listing many scientific websites providing proof towards parapsychology. Please go read his post before you post nonsense like that.

Oneironaught- And also, that is a huge leap. I'm wondering how that was even brought up with LD'ing hehe. They are sooo different. But no matter!

Originally Posted by magicdood

Gumby made an earlier post listing many scientific websites providing proof towards parapsychology. Please go read his post before you post nonsense like that.

I did read his post. Did you?!

Those links are all nonsense, sites trying to sell memberships, books, tapes, random vague references to experiments which probably never occured...

The FACT IS, lucid dreaming has nothing to do with the paranormal or spiritual or supernatural, or ANY of that stuff. Lucid dreaming is simply that - dreaming while conscious. If you think that makes it more likely that your neuronal action potentials can somehow move objects not in physical contact with you, or that wolf prints in snow which melted and became larger were made by bigfoot, or that intense hallucinations caused by lack of blood flow and massive head trauma are really trips to the garden of eden... well, THAT'S nonsense.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I did read his post. Did you?!

I also read his post, and commented on the big "Fraud" section of his first link. Nobody seemed on the Psi end seemed to notice that one for some reason.

Originally Posted by born_2_kill

..............people wake up! we cannot proof something that cannot be seen

What do you mean telekinesis can't be seen? If you can move an object with your mind, then you should be able to see the movement, right? Its common sense.

And that by itself would be enough for sceince.

All someone would have to do is telekinetically move something, and have scientists verify that they weren't using trickery or whatever (which they can do)