Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Oneironaught- He is not being logical and sensible. Logical and sensible would be weighing all the options. Currently he's just flaming me/us. Nothing logical about that. I don't need to provide proof. I would need to provide proof if I cared whether you believe me or not. But I don't, so no need for that!

Not true that there's no really good evidence for psi. Studies done at the Stanford Research Institute on Remote Viewing in the 70's-80's were rigorously controlled scientifically and provided undeniable evidence that RV is real. Not only that, but everyone has the latent ability to do it. The research is out there, if you're interested. It's probably personal bias that makes you think there's no proof. I also didn't believe it. I have seen it demonstrated and participated in demonstrations myself, and I have no doubts remaining about it. I recommend the book "Mind-Reach: Scientists Look at Psychic Abilities", by Russell Targ and Harold E. Puthoff.

Completely true. :-D And you people get mad when I present my ideas as fact, well guess what? It IS fact! Its been proven, if you dont want to take the evidence then thats too bad for you.. But the fact is, its real.

Well I guess all the Science Huggers will now have to do some research, find the site, and then announce that they acknowledge that RVing is real. Too bad.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Dude, wig, you ARE close-minded. YOu aren't asking for proof, you are just saying "0i!? T3l3k1n3s1s IzsnT r33l!!!!!111one!!one" That's all i see. If you REALLY want to find out. Train, try to do it, and... When you do, you will feel silly :p. I have a guide HERE

You didn't read a goddam word I said. Why should anyone believe anything that far fetched without proof? And if they don't, why are they "close minded"?

They are certainly not close minded just cause they do not believe. Definitely not. That would be dumb. They are close minded because they will not accept the possibility of it being a fact and are not willing to try and find out more information.

check out biosupermindpowers.com.....or google Ingo Swann......I just read all the threads, this is an interesting site

Are you sure you typed that site in right? I can't get to it.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Oneironaught- He is not being logical and sensible. Logical and sensible would be weighing all the options. Currently he's just flaming me/us. Nothing logical about that. I don't need to provide proof. I would need to provide proof if I cared whether you believe me or not. But I don't, so no need for that!

You do care. That's why you keep coming back with "Guys, I can really do it" instead of just leaving. If you don't care, why are you trying to sway our opinion?

Sigh, you are extremely hard-headed. I'm not trying to sway your opinion. I'm trying to open your minds. And all these lasts post, I have not been saying that I can do it. The only time I have been saying that is to help explain why what you are saying does not make sense to me. Please, stop accusing me of trying to sway your opinions because I am not. You really need to get a better line then that. You've accused me of that all the time when you can't think of anything better to say.

Originally Posted by The Wig

You didn't read a goddam word I said. Why should anyone believe anything that far fetched without proof? And if they don't, why are they "close minded"?

Without proof..We gave you the proof. And yes, I am saying I can do it.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Sigh, you are extremely hard-headed. I'm not trying to sway your opinion. I'm trying to open your minds. And all these lasts post, I have not been saying that I can do it. The only time I have been saying that is to help explain why what you are saying does not make sense to me. Please, stop accusing me of trying to sway your opinions because I am not. You really need to get a better line then that. You've accused me of that all the time when you can't think of anything better to say.

You have the most posts in this thread. You're obviously trying to do something other than "Hey, check this out when you get a chance, it's neat!" No one would sit at their computer and argue about the validity of Psi if they didn't care about what other people are thinking. You obviously do give a shit whether or not we believe your crazy ass ideas, so stop saying you don't. Maybe then we could move on (doubtful).

I've explained what I am trying to do countless times. If you can't understand my reasons yet, then I feel very sorry for you. I feel no need to repeat why I'm still posting any longer. Feel free to read just about any other post by me in this thread and I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Well I guess all the Science Huggers will now have to do some research, find the site, and then announce that they acknowledge that RVing is real. Too bad.

Damn those rationalists!! Always raining on your unicorn parade! If only everyone realized that science is useless, then you wouldn't have a computer to blather away with!

Listen, you claim to have proof. Scientific proof, at that. What you really have, at this point, is a list of extremely questionable websites with vested interests in encouraging delusional people to buy their severely overpriced, snake-oil bullshit products.

If you want to convince anyone, give us ONE good site, ONE good piece of evidence which conclusively proves, SCIENTIFICALLY, that your argument is correct.

ALL it takes is ONE. Then we can discuss that one piece of evidence. Quality over quantity. OK?

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Listen, you claim to have proof. Scientific proof, at that. What you really have, at this point, is a list of extremely questionable websites with vested interests in encouraging delusional people to buy their severely overpriced, snake-oil bullshit products.

If you want to convince anyone, give us ONE good site, ONE good piece of evidence which conclusively proves, SCIENTIFICALLY, that your argument is correct.

ALL it takes is ONE. Then we can discuss that one piece of evidence. Quality over quantity. OK?

You fool! How dare you not take Wikipedia as a legitimate source for Psi! Either way, they won't give up a real scientific paper saying "Yes, it exists" because that paper doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by The Wig

You fool! How dare you not take Wikipedia as a legitimate source for Psi! Either way, they won't give up a real scientific paper saying "Yes, it exists" because that paper doesn't exist.

That's what I'm banking on. Moreover, they'll most likely supply us with a horrible piece of 'evidence' that we can then debunk and send them packing.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

That's what I'm banking on. Moreover, they'll most likely supply us with a horrible piece of 'evidence' that we can then debunk and send them packing.

These types of people can be debunked about a million times and still go on. See: Uri Geller, Sylvia Browne.

Sigh, I still don't understand how dumb and unobservant some people can be!

I was of course talking about this post made by der'morat'oneiro!!!

And I quote:

"Not true that there's no really good evidence for psi. Studies done at the Stanford Research Institute on Remote Viewing in the 70's-80's were rigorously controlled scientifically and provided undeniable evidence that RV is real. Not only that, but everyone has the latent ability to do it. The research is out there, if you're interested. It's probably personal bias that makes you think there's no proof. I also didn't believe it. I have seen it demonstrated and participated in demonstrations myself, and I have no doubts remaining about it. I recommend the book "Mind-Reach: Scientists Look at Psychic Abilities", by Russell Targ and Harold E. Puthoff."

There. Have at it! :p

Originally Posted by magicdood

Studies done at the Stanford Research Institute on Remote Viewing in the 70's-80's were rigorously controlled scientifically and provided undeniable evidence that RV is real. Not only that, but everyone has the latent ability to do it. The research is out there, if you're interested.

I am. Find it and gimme. I refuse to go on a wild goose chase for this 'research', you have the burden of proof. If you really want to convince all of us (and I'm perfectly open to evidence) then give us the actual research, not just a vague reference.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Sigh, I still don't understand how dumb and unobservant some people can be!

I was of course talking about this post made by der'morat'oneiro!!!

And I quote:

"Not true that there's no really good evidence for psi. Studies done at the Stanford Research Institute on Remote Viewing in the 70's-80's were rigorously controlled scientifically and provided undeniable evidence that RV is real. Not only that, but everyone has the latent ability to do it. The research is out there, if you're interested. It's probably personal bias that makes you think there's no proof. I also didn't believe it. I have seen it demonstrated and participated in demonstrations myself, and I have no doubts remaining about it. I recommend the book "Mind-Reach: Scientists Look at Psychic Abilities", by Russell Targ and Harold E. Puthoff."

There. Have at it! :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Targ

Those two are also the guys who said Uri Geller was for real. Considering Uri Geller has recently (as in, a few years ago, or maybe even this year) been caught cheating on his own damn TV show, I cannot take those two idiots as proof. Sorry.

Funny how you said nothing about the research done at Standford Research Institute. You wouldn't wanna be proven wrong now would you?

And no, I'm not gonna go fetch you the information. I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. If you wanna find it, then go ahead, if not, that's fine as well. The choice is yours!

Originally Posted by magicdood

And no, I'm not gonna go fetch you the information. I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. If you wanna find it, then go ahead, if not, that's fine as well. The choice is yours!

Spoken like someone who knows perfectly well there is nothing to find.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Spoken like someone who knows perfectly well there is nothing to find.

Sounds like someone who is not willing to find the information due to the fact that they believe they will be proven wrong and that RV'ing exists. Yep, that's exactly what it sounds like to me.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Funny how you said nothing about the research done at Standford Research Institute. You wouldn't wanna be proven wrong now would you?

And no, I'm not gonna go fetch you the information. I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. If you wanna find it, then go ahead, if not, that's fine as well. The choice is yours!

This is the guy that, by extension, you are saying is a real psychic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJSxsbToLeE

Now, I don't care if you got that information from Stanford, Harvard, Duke, or any or any other school that stands in high regard to people, that fact is, those guys are unable to tell trickery from psychic ability. Excuse me if you're too dense to realize that.