Dream force(s) ... beings

[iLight]

During my 3 month's of examining my dream journal, i've seen these figures (beings) that i was fighting with and running away from. These beings seem to follow me whenever i enter my Lucid Dream state. It feels like they are just waiting for me to go there. Some kind of detection system or something allows them to see whenever i enter the LD. After all my Lucid Dream experiences, i have been fighting these forces. The problem with this is, they never stop coming. They are able to use my abilities, not to the fully, but partially. As i try to escape, they seem to follow me whenever i go. Sometimes they follow my story line, and interfere right in the middle of my LD. After reading all my LD experiences, around 86% of my experiences had these beings in them. They somehow appear human, with a SWAT, millitary uniform. There were many parts when i saw them wearing FBI, CIA emblems, ranks. What bothers me is, no matter how i control the LD state. They are always present in it. Im not sure what to call them, but i get seriously pissed of them. I usually have fun fighting them.. but they seem to hurt me mentally. They make me stop Lucid dreaming . There were times when i just entered LD, and boom they appeared and made me wake up. With more experience, i managed to fight them, and avoid them as much as possible. The reason why im writing this down is because i managed to talk with one of them, during todays LD. I asked this person , who looked female, dark hair , brown eyes.... why is it following me. The Agent, who had somekind of emblem on her neck, said.. "We are patrolling your actions." , i said why? "She said, your not welcome here" , after that i don't remember what happened. But i managed to remember these two answers from her. Please discus.

[Bonsay]

Wow. That's very interesting. There is not much to say about it without further study. I think you should try and get more answers from them. If we accept the theory that the subconscious talks to us methaphorically in our dreams, then it could mean that you subconsciously think that you're not worthy of a LD? Maby you think that LD=Matrix? Lol.. I know. Just thinking out loud. There could be spiritual explanations, but that depends on your beliefs. Try to find out why you're not welcome. Keep us updated I guess. Good luck!

[spacemanspiff]

how often do you play shooter video games. 86% of the time?

[iLight]

0% of the time.. i dont play games ... As far as i know... it could be anythink related to anything......

[mylucidworld]

During my 3 month's of examining my dream journal, i've seen these figures (beings) that i was fighting with and running away from. These beings seem to follow me whenever i enter my Lucid Dream state. It feels like they are just waiting for me to go there. Some kind of detection system or something allows them to see whenever i enter the LD. After all my Lucid Dream experiences, i have been fighting these forces. The problem with this is, they never stop coming. They are able to use my abilities, not to the fully, but partially. As i try to escape, they seem to follow me whenever i go. Sometimes they follow my story line, and interfere right in the middle of my LD. After reading all my LD experiences, around 86% of my experiences had these beings in them. They somehow appear human, with a SWAT, millitary uniform. There were many parts when i saw them wearing FBI, CIA emblems, ranks. What bothers me is, no matter how i control the LD state. They are always present in it. Im not sure what to call them, but i get seriously pissed of them. I usually have fun fighting them.. but they seem to hurt me mentally. They make me stop Lucid dreaming . There were times when i just entered LD, and boom they appeared and made me wake up. With more experience, i managed to fight them, and avoid them as much as possible. The reason why im writing this down is because i managed to talk with one of them, during todays LD. I asked this person , who looked female, dark hair , brown eyes.... why is it following me. The Agent, who had somekind of emblem on her neck, said.. "We are patrolling your actions." , i said why? "She said, your not welcome here" , after that i don't remember what happened. But i managed to remember these two answers from her. Please discus. I have quite a few re-occuring dream characters in my lucids but most of them are nice to me, and one of them we always seem to end up doing it. I do get problems from dream characters trying to ruin my lucids though.

[Jdog]

maybe its your subconcious mind having some moral or ethic doubt about lucid dreaming. have you ever had any thought that lucid dreaming might be a bad thing?

[mylucidworld]

maybe its your subconcious mind having some moral or ethic doubt about lucid dreaming. have you ever had any thought that lucid dreaming might be a bad thing? Well i certainly think that your sub-conscious thinks it's a bad thing because it is always trying to stop you from becoming lucid, or ruin it. I don't understand why though because it is easier for your sub-conscious to get a message through to you when your lucid. I have had the thought that it might be a bad thing but i don't see how it is.

[iLight]

I never though that dreaming is a bad thing... so i dont think thats the case.. It could be my subconcious is playing tricks with me. Thanks for your response's ;P

[Dream Catcher NYC]

I know what ur problem is,,,, you await their appearance in your dreams, and subconsiously I deciphor that by them telling you your not welcomed here, its really that you feel they (the agents) are not welcomed there. You need to accept their presense as a reality check that your lucid once you keep doin that they will leave you alone or maybe make you their leader, IT HAPPENED WITH ME IN THE PAST YOU HAVE LOW LUCID LEVEL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL THEM, turn them into your minions and they eventually go away, learn to not see them as a threat, remember how you REACT TO THINGS IN YOUR LUCID DREAM WILL DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF DREAM OR END IT PRETTY QUICK WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID DOING, During my 3 month's of examining my dream journal, i've seen these figures (beings) that i was fighting with and running away from. These beings seem to follow me whenever i enter my Lucid Dream state. It feels like they are just waiting for me to go there. Some kind of detection system or something allows them to see whenever i enter the LD. After all my Lucid Dream experiences, i have been fighting these forces. The problem with this is, they never stop coming. They are able to use my abilities, not to the fully, but partially. As i try to escape, they seem to follow me whenever i go. Sometimes they follow my story line, and interfere right in the middle of my LD. After reading all my LD experiences, around 86% of my experiences had these beings in them. They somehow appear human, with a SWAT, millitary uniform. There were many parts when i saw them wearing FBI, CIA emblems, ranks. What bothers me is, no matter how i control the LD state. They are always present in it. Im not sure what to call them, but i get seriously pissed of them. I usually have fun fighting them.. but they seem to hurt me mentally. They make me stop Lucid dreaming . There were times when i just entered LD, and boom they appeared and made me wake up. With more experience, i managed to fight them, and avoid them as much as possible. The reason why im writing this down is because i managed to talk with one of them, during todays LD. I asked this person , who looked female, dark hair , brown eyes.... why is it following me. The Agent, who had somekind of emblem on her neck, said.. "We are patrolling your actions." , i said why? "She said, your not welcome here" , after that i don't remember what happened. But i managed to remember these two answers from her. Please discus.

[mylucidworld]

I know what ur problem is,,,, you await their appearance in your dreams, and subconsiously I deciphor that by them telling you your not welcomed here, its really that you feel they (the agents) are not welcomed there. You need to accept their presense as a reality check that your lucid once you keep doin that they will leave you alone or maybe make you their leader, IT HAPPENED WITH ME IN THE PAST YOU HAVE LOW LUCID LEVEL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL THEM, turn them into your minions and they eventually go away, learn to not see them as a threat, remember how you REACT TO THINGS IN YOUR LUCID DREAM WILL DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF DREAM OR END IT PRETTY QUICK WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID DOING, Yeh that is true, if you feel threatened by their presence then bad things will probably happen. Also if you are expecting them to appear then they most probably will, just don't let them bother you.

[Serith]

They probably show up because that's what you expect. Expectations have a big effect on what happens in your dreams, and after the first time, (which could have been caused by anything) on some level you expected them to show up again l and each time they did, your expectations were reinforced, making it even more likely that they'd show up the next time. Therefore, if you want to get them to stop showing up, you should do something to get rid of those expectations. I suggest forming an alliance with them, or defeating their leader. Alternatively, you could simply try repeating to yourself that you won't see them again, but that's less likely to work and much less fun.

[mylucidworld]

They probably show up because that's what you expect. Expectations have a big effect on what happens in your dreams, and after the first time, (which could have been caused by anything) on some level you expected them to show up again l and each time they did, your expectations were reinforced, making it even more likely that they'd show up the next time. Therefore, if you want to get them to stop showing up, you should do something to get rid of those expectations. I suggest forming an alliance with them, or defeating their leader. Alternatively, you could simply try repeating to yourself that you won't see them again, but that's less likely to work and much less fun. Thats what i done. I threw the leader off the top floor of a shopping centre, took the other two aside and convinced them to leave the gang and we ended up becoming friends.

[Abra]

I've had malevolent DCs like that. The whole "you don't belong here" bit. But I think I spurred it on myself. I read some of Leo's posts when I first joined, about how our mind tries to keep us from lucidity through false awakenings and misleading dream characters. Shortly afterwards, I began seeing Agent Smith, along with other Agents in my lucid dreams. They didn't intervene all too much. I only saw them for a few minutes per dream. Recently, I changed my perspective on the subconscious, and lucid dreaming. I believe false awakenings are present because when we become conscious in our dreams, our body thinks we are in reality, or are awake, and brings us back to the waking scene. Since I have adopted this belief, I haven't seen the enemies again. But I wish I could. They will help create new dream plots. Anyway, I think you should change your perspective on them, too. Tell them that you don't mean to hurt them, and that you won't be in control all the time. Tell them that it's all a big misunderstanding, and that you actually want to help them. Turn the tables, and they'll no longer be a problem.

[iLight]

^^ , thats what i tried to do... for about 2 weeks now. Guess i will try harder. I will use my full potential on them from now on. Will see how limited their abilities are. SOmetimes i enjoy fighting these beings.. but as it seems now, its my job to get rid of them. Thank you for your reply's