Thread: Can Lucid dreaming really change your personality?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

I think this is a pretty big (and most-likely incorrect) assumption.

This is why customer service representatives, salesmen and the like have "role play" as a training method. It is because going through the motions (even if you know that it is just a simulation) does help force familiarity with the situation, and improves performance.

But this is direct interaction with a personal in reality. I heard about a study once that showed the brain responds differently to communication online, even if its video chat, then when you are face to face with another human being. I propose that in the dream it would be similar, and the mixture of that, an altered conscious state, and unrealistic bizarre conversation and reaction from DCs will dampen any social growth on the dreamers part.

Originally Posted by Loaf

But this is direct interaction with a personal in reality. I heard about a study once that showed the brain responds differently to communication online, even if its video chat, then when you are face to face with another human being. I propose that in the dream it would be similar, and the mixture of that, an altered conscious state, and unrealistic bizarre conversation and reaction from DCs will dampen any social growth on the dreamers part.

I'm not proposing that there isn't a "difference," but I think that a simulation is still effective in presenting conditions that can help familiarize yourself with a scenario. Even video games have been shown to increase cognitive performance in situations. Granted, it may not be to the same degree as interacting with an actual person. I don't think anyone is making that declaration. But does it help? I think it does. Do you have any evidence that it's completely ineffective? Because most of what I've seen points to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

Granted, it may not be to the same degree as interacting with an actual person. I don't think anyone is making that declaration. But does it help? I think it does. Do you have any evidence that it's completely ineffective? Because most of what I've seen points to the contrary.

Asking me to propose evidence is fruitless. Nobody here can prove things in dreams. At best you could try to compare what is active in the barin during real conversation and dream conversation, but are you really trying to validate your view on the basis I don't have the equipment to properly test this? You know I can't. So don't go there, thats a poor argument.

There is no evidence to show it does help. In my personal experience, it hasn't. The problem with a lot of people are Dreamviews, and perhaps lucid dreamers everywhere, is that its all too easy to fantasize uses for lucid dreaming that simply don't exist.

How about we all focus on proving the massive list of theories such as this one, rather than creating them and trying to get other people to disprove them.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Asking me to propose evidence is fruitless. Nobody here can prove things in dreams. At best you could try to compare what is active in the barin during real conversation and dream conversation, but are you really trying to validate your view on the basis I don't have the equipment to properly test this?

There is no evidence to show it does help. In my personal experience, it hasn't. The problem with a lot of people are Dreamviews, and perhaps lucid dreamers everywhere, is that its all too easy to fantasize uses for lucid dreaming that simply don't exist.

How about we all focus on proving the massive list of theories such as this one, rather than creating them and trying to get other people to disprove them.

Nice dodge, but I'm simply asking for evidence that simulations don't help in real life situations; social or otherwise. Like I said, there is plenty of evidence to show that simulated experiences do help. You're making a statement that it doesn't, but you have absolutely nothing that shows that it doesn't. It's not a matter of trying to 'create a theory' (and I actually wonder about your using that terminology). I'm simply stating something that I believe is already backed by science. There is much more evidence that shows that a simulated experience helps in 'real life' perofrmance than there is of your assertion that they do not. That's all I'm saying, and I don't think it's too wild a speculation. Why do you?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

Nice dodge, but I'm simply asking for evidence that simulations don't help in real life situations; social or otherwise.

I've addressed that already and given my reasons for why this is likely to not work.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

Like I said, there is plenty of evidence to show that simulated experiences do help.

No there isn't.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I've addressed that already and given my reasons for why this is likely to not work.

Actually, you've given reasons why the level of interaction might not be the same. You haven't given a single, substantial reason as to why it's likely to be completely ineffective.

Originally Posted by Loaf

No there isn't.

You are proposing that there is no evidence to support the idea that simulations can help people in real life situations, even if the experiences aren't exactly the same? Seriously. If that's the case, then I'm just going to leave that statement alone, because I believe it to be pretty ridiculous - for lack of a better word. Practically every proession we have a title for is founded on simulated training scenarios. I understand that you're probably highly opposed to people spreading 'fantasized' theories about lucid dreaming, but - despite whether or not you choose to believe it - the idea that simulations (even those known to be simulations) do aid in developing skills has an endless amount of scientific backing to it.

But whatever.
*shrug*

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

Actually, you've given reasons why the level of interaction might not be the same. You haven't given a single, substantial reason as to why it's likely to be completely ineffective.

Feel free to read again. I have posted valid reasons for my thoughts over several posts in this topic.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

You are proposing that there is no evidence to support the idea that simulations can help people in real life situations, even if the experiences aren't exactly the same? Seriously. If that's the case, then I'm just going to leave that statement alone, because I believe it to be pretty ridiculous - for lack of a better word.

You've done nothing so far but be twisty and post nothing of real value to counteract anything I've said.

The question I was discussing was whether or not social interaction in dreams can allow for social growth or for the dreamer to deal with social situations better in reality. The answer is no. This is a dreaming forum and a dreaming question. Ambiguously referring to it as a "simulation" pretty much seals the idea that you are more interested in pointless word play than writing anything of substance. But please, go on, argue about an idea whipped up from heresay as fact. And while your at it, why not share your reasons for why astral projection to Mars is real and I can how share dream with the queen every night through simply meditation. Those are other hole ridden ideas that people have no basis for believing in but do.

This isn't about my evidence. Its about yours. Its your job to prove your theory, not mine.