Thread: cant seem to get lucid

I think I know why you reality checks aren't working. They haven't been working for me anymore but they use to. I'm doing it half-ass now kind of. What I'm doing is trying to stick my finger through my hand. What I should do is the watch thing. With the watch thing you really can't do it half ass because it will change because you will be excepting it to in a dream. I should get my watch now come to think of it...

and I mean itWow, what a direct sign your dream has shown you about your conscious state of mind.

You are stuck, you are not transcending one of the jhonnas properly. The wobbly feeling you are getting is called the 'second plateu' 4 dex trippers. For Buddhists I believe it is the 2nd Jhonna, but I may be incorrect. The state is one that is transitional: the mind is shutting down, but only partially, your animal brain is working fine but it has lost connection with your cognescent mind, so your motor skills go out the window. The discomforst you feel in everyday life is due to this same problem, your are not relaxing enough, slow down, nothing is bad about this state, it only needs to be transcended for it is integral to much more enlightened and lucid states of mind.

[I say this because I have experienced the state many times, sober, sleeping, and tripping, and understand how to move through it, move with it. Deep 8hr meditations.]

Quit trying to understand, it is understood, you know already, you are just confused by the bombardment of sensation.

To understand you are dreaming, think about nothing when you go to sleep, and I mean it NOTHING. Do not let your mind drift, even to concentrating on your lucid goal. Trust your will, you will dream and remember if you believe in yourself and stop trying so hard. Nothingness. A clear mind for clear dreams.

Once you start to have peaceful, non-stressful dreams, you will find that lucidity is second hand, that it was available to you all the time, but that your mind and its loops of paranoia (what if i don't dream, what if its bad, what if whatever) were all that hindered you.

Meditate. free your mind, your dreams will follow.

excuse me? animal brain? i think not buddy..

Ah Paperdoll.... You think he is incorrect in talking about our animal brain? Well... just let me go off here real fast:

First off, evolution has caused us to have multiple pieces in our brain that have designated functions. Instead of our whole brain just evolving and changing, basically it just built on top of the old. For instance, our limbic system is that of reptilian nature, an old system in our bodies that needed little change. That is one of our so called "animal brains". There is also some other lower fucntioning parts of the brain, but I can't remember them all off the top of my head. I wrote an article about a while ago, having to do with the dual nature of man and how this is nearly inherent in our psychology and the physical nature of our minds. If you don't believe me I'll get the facts and post 'em later.

i didn't come from a lizard, i didn't come from a bird, i didn't come from a fish, and i SURE AS HELL didn't come from a friggin ass-picking MONKEY.

your a fool paperdoll...

What makes you think you are different from all of gods other creations? The fact that you do not understand them and they cannot speak as we do?

Sure some animals are dumber than others... just like some people..

Least they dont go about annialating their own kind because of some invisible lines on a map

You look into the eyes of Dolphin or an orangutan and you tell me that they are not looking back at you, wondering the same thing,

"who are you?"

Well perhaps, its more like this
The human saying "hahah look at the stupid beast without a soul"
And the dolphin or orangutan thinking..."who are you?"

Douglas Adams put it best


Humans have always thought that they were the most intelligent creatures on the planet, because they invented such things as the wheel, NYC and war, while other animals, say dolphins for instance, just mucked about in the oceans eating playing and having a good time....

Conversely, the dolphins though they were the most intelligent creatures on the planet for the same exact reasons.

Hehe I know some cetaceans that are smarter and more understanding than some people...

And they arent nearly as arrogant.

did i say animals are stupid? no. did i even IMPLY that they're stupid? no.

i said i DID NOT COME FROM ONE.

Then what do you beleive you came from?

i believe God created man.


*duh*

Sorry I get worked up over that, sounded like you were separating us from them, alot of people also beleive we are the only ones with souls...Your entitled to your beleifs, but that just dosent fly with me. Life is life, and needs a soul at the helm.

Theres only like a 2%difference between our genetic make up and slugs



Ewwwwww

I believe God, or the infinite, or whatever, created a system that we are the products of. I mean, why the hell would God make it obvious that he created us only a few thousand years ago? If he wanted to be obvious, he could just show up anytime and be like, "Word peeps!", but he doesn't, does he? I just don't understand how people can truly believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old when there is a ton of evidence that is otherwise. God did create man, in a very brilliant, artistic, and wonderfully roundabout way.

I think it's funny how soooo many people rely on and base assumptions on a THEORETICAL CONSTRUCT that is faulty and outdated (evolutionism). Even in spite of new scientific data pointing to the absurdity of evolutionistic "science," (dating techniques, people still seem stuck in the rut of evolutionism. It takes more faith for me to believe in the data purported by evolutionist "scientists" than it does to believe that the world is only a few thousand years old...


http://www.icr.org/

(...not sure how to do the hyperlink thing - )

sorry about that. sent before completing it...


...(dating techniques, hole-ly "evidence," many disregarded scientific theories conflicting with evolutionist data, etc.)
I guess the hyperlink happens automatically...

carbon dating works, its just that it is hard to obtain a sample that is not contaminated by younger or older microorganisms.

Whatabout the records of civilizations dating back before the "creation" of earth? I dont mean carbon dated records, I mean records those civilizations put down, star maps and such showing the night sky with incredible detail... One can calculate exact dates using star charts.

I saw the whole footprint thing a human footprint next to a dinosaurs... how come they werent spoken about untill the fossils were found, I am sure that anyone who seen a dinosaur after they cleaned the crap out of their pants would have written it down. also sedimentary stone can be covered and uncovered, such is the nature of rivers, they can also become soft enough again to take a footprint then harden, granted thats a one in a million chance, but there are a lot more rivers around than that.

Other than the carbon dating holes, do you have any more info you can provide?, I am searching, Im not saying evolution is the way it happend nor am I sayign the world was created in a couple days only a few thousand years ago...
I dont know enough to say otherwise but so far, God starting up life on earth and letting it grow seems more feasable to me as lifes purpose is to grow and is our spiritual purpose, rather than God just plunking us down and letting us go on our merry way, and dont give me the We were created in gods image thing either... Gods infinite and does not have a physical form we no more resemble god than a seacucumber resembles us... actually a seacucumber resembles us more than we resemble god

I can say
"I am Evan son of Steven" This is true, but it is not the whole representation of what and who I am , it is mereely a mnemonic (sp) device used to describe me
Just like our bodies are merely a representation of somethinig that is much greater.

The new field of genetics is starting to shed more light on evolution, we used to describe animals by their outward appearance and characteristics, but now we are finding that geneticly we have made some mistakes but for the most part what was said holds true, sure its got holes, its a theory as is most science, I pity those that take science for fact, just as those who take ancient texts handed down, translated, translated again, handed down by word of mouth, translated again too litrally but at least with science it is being studied and worked on to make it more whole and not jsut taken as the way it is...

Also of course the fossile record has holes in it, not every creature is going to get fossilized now is it? the conditions have to be jsut right, but like I said with genetics they are finding the paths of growth that life has been taking, its amazing stuff, life realy is an inicredible thing

(offtopic) you know they have sucessfuly created a DNA computer? in a damned Vial! HAH never seen that in science fiction have you?.. well I havent any of you?

Also one more thing that irks me about creation theory is why is your religions theory more accurate than some one elses? This goes for anyone of any faith, there are cultures much older that beleive differently, then again just because they are older dosent mean they are the ones that are right either... But which one is right?

I hope i dont offend anyone but seriously we know too little either way

Evangel, cool link, more stuffs for me to dig into.

Originally posted by Second Attention
I believe God, or the infinite, or whatever, created a system that we are the products of. I mean, why the hell would God make it obvious that he created us only a few thousand years ago? If he wanted to be obvious, he could just show up anytime and be like, \"Word peeps!\", but he doesn't, does he? I just don't understand how people can truly believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old when there is a ton of evidence that is otherwise. God did create man, in a very brilliant, artistic, and wonderfully roundabout way.

read the bible. does it say He created us through evolution? no. case closed.

I dont think all of the bible is to be taken so literally Paperdoll. More of a metaphor I think, also which bible are you reading?

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh.................*droo l*

King James? NIV? i don't read as much as i should...

but seriously, how much more clearer ( ) is "and on the sixth day God created man and woman"!!!?

i mean gosh...it doesn't say "and He made monkeys that turned into people"

(you spelled mnemonic right btw Seri)

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*cries* I typed a whole lot...



Invalid Session....


*cries*


ok mebby later I will write it all again


Thanks paperdoll, I was too lazy to look it up 8)I frikin r00l 8)

ewwwwwwwwww Invalid-Session! eww eww eww...

*nightmare memories*

it shouldn't do that if you're in IE

but it does from AOL i learned that...

I would say you are all right. well, except the 'not coming from animals bit,' I am proud to be a beast.

To say that evolutionists are dumb is kinda right, but evolution as a process is always happening, it's only growth and entropy reflecting eachother.

I believe that we cam from god, but to say that god is in any way like a human is too small a perspective. god is simply the everything. not only is god human, but all else, including time and evolution.

i see this process in my dreams sooo often.

an intregal part in lucidity is understanding that nothing is constant, save for it is always changing.

To suggest that god created humanity from nothing is a bit hard to take, everything in the universe comes from a chain of events infinitely long, we call that creation and god.

The Bible says nothing about creation being instantaneous.

I would suggest, however, that consciousness is the concept that Adam and Eve embody. They ate a plant that made them trip. It's really not that spectacular. But our existence and evolution through the complex series of events that created the univers is absolutly staggering and holier the holy.

The creation story of Adam and Eve does not come from the Bible BTW, it comes from many religions. It is a very very old story. Hell, now we can trace peyote usage further back then most christians place the creation (70,000 yrs.). Christians need to remember that they STOLE a good portion of their religion from early Islamic, Zorostor, various tribes, etc. not to mention Judaism (the twin of Islam), which also at various points in history contained much magic, later deemed paganism (although anyone here who says they are monotheist or polytheist is incorrect, both are the say, we all worship a million idols a day, we are all sinners).

God and evolution are the same. Humans are animals that like to get high.

I like this guy heeh.

Well I was going to write all that i did down but im lazy =/

Simplified, carbondating is flawed

Isotonic radiometrics using various other elements is more accurate, yes there have been cases where the various methods did not agree but if you take a rolex and a timex, find they dont show the same time, is it safe to assume that all watcehs are incorrect even though the majority show the same time?

Even the case that did not agree Isotonic dating of the bed of the grandcanyon using .. crap I think Ar and Sr... the methods disagreed, but both showed the rock at the bottom of the canyon to be at least 500mil years old.

ok so question, before the flood, how long was the earth in existance?

as for the whole 6 day thing
I dont think you can take the word Day litrally, think about it, What is being said is from gods perspective....an infinite beings perspective might be a bit different from our own.

sooooo anywhoo... its tough to say eaither way, sure there aer websites bashing the other one using the same data to prove their point as the other is using to disprove its a mess, the internet is a giant rumor mill AND anyone can make a website look official and scientific if you bog it down with so much jargon and mathematics that no one bothers to read through it and see the flaws inherent in it...

Dont beleive everything you read on the internet folks.

Im on the fence with this for now... I got some dreaming to do...