Thread: Are we brainwashed?

here is my opinion: (not that its possible for me to give anything but that)

people seem to be fusing perception and existance into the same thing so im going to try and seperate it out.

existance is the way things are, regardless of anything else. it isn't possible to know what exists.

it is only possible to assume and estimate what exists based on perceptions.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing exists. Not you, not me, not anyone, not anything. This is all just a strange fantasy, created by my non-existant mind.[/b]

its impossible for something to not exist. if it doesnt exist, then its not a thing! only nothing doesnt exist.

its also impossible for something to not have a explanation. even if something is completely random and uncaused, then randomness is the explanation. scientific explanations are just an understanding of something.

the only way to understand our own reality is to understand everything about our own brains and all our surroundings. even if we could, then our brains would be changing as we come to the understanding, and we would be wrong again.

its not really true that reality is whatever you want it to be either. its whatever it is. your wants are controlled by your reality.

if a tree fell in the forest and no one was there to hear it, does it make a sound?
would it even exist as a non fallen or fallen tree until a person came and found it?[/b]

if you ask a 6-year-old this, theyll be able to tell you the answer.
ask an adult, and all you'll get is reverse-logic and confusion!!

hope i added to the confusion

What would a 6 year old answer?

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I think there is a scientific expalnation behind everything. How your mind interperets is a differant ballgame.

Saying there is a scientific explanation for everything is like saying we know all there is to know... It is more likely that there is more we DO NOT KNOW than there is that we do \"know\" since even what we \"know\" now is subject to change with new discoveries.

So it's quite a leap of faith to say that it is even POSSIBLE that there is a scientific (known) explanation for \"everything.\"

Hypnagogic imagery is still a pretty generric explanation, so there is a lot of room for interpretation there. You don't have to adhere to one narrow paradigm in order to explain lucid dreaming in terms of hynagogic imagery. It is always good to at least acknowledge that there are various perspectives, even if we're not experts at explaining those perspectives.[/b]

I feel you are taking my words out of context. Or misunderstandind where I am coming from.
True. I believe that there is a scientific explanation for everything that accurs. Where did I say there is a known explanation? In fact there are most likley more things science has not pinned down than there are things they have. That still doesn't mean that there is a cause an effect or an action for every equal an opposite reaction.
How did you derive the fact that I use a "Narrow paradigm" to explain somthing. More over I think if anything a scientific view is much more prone to be open minded than a religoius one!

If everything could be expalined then spirits, us as souls and mind then wouldn't really exist as free will would we. It would all be based on countless reactions, decisions made only based on an opposite equal type of reaction. All beings consciences would be like trillions of puzzle pieces fitting in based on the rules of eternity. The universe and exisdence can never be mapped out id say. As im in control of myself and i change what i want. Nor religion or science can answer all the questions. As above im not providing an answer, it's observation.

bradybaker = offends lord soth

The government is controlling us through everything . . .

Yes, I think we are brainwashed, in certain ways. I think reality is some sort of holographic projection from a pre-defined source, where that source is like a DVD, and the project is like a film playing from beginning to end, and time is our progress through the film. I think our minds are like the head within the DVD player that is at a particular point on the disk and most of the time that 'head' (i.e. our minds) is hard against the surface of that pre-defined source and we are not aware that we can lift off that surface if we want to. I think deja vu might be momentary glimpses of what lifting off that surface is like. You become aware of either side of where you are currently at and can scan ahead if you want to faster than time is progressing and therefore see what will happen before it does. Stranger than all of this, I think some people can modify the pre-defined source directly in much the same way that someone in a lucid dream alters the dream. I guess the analogy is that this pre-defined source is similar to the role of the subconscious within a lucid dream.

I probably havn't described it quite the way I think it, but that in a nutshell is my unified theory of life, dreams, & deja vu.

Haha you crazy!

The tree would know if it fell over,
and so would all the creatures living on/in/under/with it.

Isn't science just a process of reaching agreement and consensus about what's happening and why? IMO its not always helpful to know that the earth is round and goes around the sun - this is contrary to our direct experience of a flat earth with where the sun rises and sets. Science, by trying to claim the supremacy of objectivity, makes us question the validity of our own experience, and increases our separation from nature.

My ideas might be crazy, but when you think about it, there isn't much difference between what I have said and the belief by some that "nothing exists".

Well, nothing exists in the way we think it does...

lord soth wrote:

bradybaker = offends lord soth[/b]

Sorry man, that's just how I see things.

If everything could be expalined then spirits, us as souls and mind then wouldn't really exist as free will would we. It would all be based on countless reactions, decisions made only based on an opposite equal type of reaction. All beings consciences would be like trillions of puzzle pieces fitting in based on the rules of eternity.[/b]

I dont agree. Even if everything we do is based on predetermined physical events, we still have to actually do them, and since noone will ever be able to forecast exactly what is going to happen, it makes no difference to us. Those reactions dont just decide what we do, they are what we do and we are them.

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the six year old would say that the tree did fall over.

whether or not it makes a sound depends on your definition of a sound. if its your own perception then it doesnt exist. if its any living thing's perception then it may exist. if its an air pressure wave then it does exist. (obviously, the six year old would not say that)

i guess the tree actaully falling over also depends on your definition of "a tree falling over". - whether its the actual event, or your own perception of the event.

things never exist in exactly the way we think they do, but we can guess closely enough to get by... saying that, we only live for a hundred years or so, so we dont make a great job of it.

but if you believe that things only exist in perception, and dont 'really' exist - then why are you here? why talk to a bunch of people that dont exist? I dont think anyone truely believes that.
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