Thread: Doublethink, lucids and self-delusion: A summary

After reading 1984 I started trying to figure out when I used doublethink in my life, and eliminate it, but I never made the connection with Lucid Dreaming.

A logical and helpful application of Doublethink...hmmm

Good read, and interesting.

Nice theory.
I never thought of lucid dreaming like that

There is an english term entitled "willful suspension of disbelief". This is when you choose to, as it says, suspend your disbelief.

Such as when you watch a horror movie, and you don't believe in ghosts... yet for the sake of enjoying the film you allow yourself to believe in them for the duration of the show.

Spiderman was an awesome movie. Do I really believe someone could do all the stuff that he can? No. But I suspended that disbelief so that I could enjoy the movie. It just wouldn't have been entertaining had I been shaking my head and saying "That can't happen!" the entire time.

Everyone does it. And I believe it is the same thing you do while Lucid Dreaming.

Thoughts?

I'm quite interested by your posted opinion on doublethink and LDing as well. Thanks!

Now the big question is, do you think that this doublethink eliminates lucidity? If we doublethink too much, don't you think we'd become unlucid merely to preserve/enjoy the illusion?

Originally Posted by Einherjar

Spiderman was an awesome movie. Do I really believe someone could do all the stuff that he can? No. But I suspended that disbelief so that I could enjoy the movie. It just wouldn't have been entertaining had I been shaking my head and saying "That can't happen!" the entire time.

What do you mean "Spiderman isn't real?!"

So, your saying we should just doubt ourselves that we can't have a lucid dream and we will have a lucid dream? lol i'm confused.

Originally Posted by Einherjar

There is an english term entitled "willful suspension of disbelief". This is when you choose to, as it says, suspend your disbelief.

Such as when you watch a horror movie, and you don't believe in ghosts... yet for the sake of enjoying the film you allow yourself to believe in them for the duration of the show.

Good term and good application of it =O. Never really thought about it for movies. Someone I know has a really big problem with this and always says in the middle of a movie "No way that could happen"

Originally Posted by Abra

Now the big question is, do you think that this doublethink eliminates lucidity? If we doublethink too much, don't you think we'd become unlucid merely to preserve/enjoy the illusion?

The precepts of doublethink holding both the ideas of being in reality and not being in reality at the same time. In the prefect scenario, you never lose that tie to the knowledge that it is all a dream.

I recommend reading 1984. It's a really good book and you get a good understanding of the doublethink mindset.

Originally Posted by Reborn

So, your saying we should just doubt ourselves that we can't have a lucid dream and we will have a lucid dream? lol i'm confused.

By self-doubt, I didn't mean to doubt your abilities. Never that. But rather a need to doubt your perception of reality as it is applied to the reality you are in. A doubt of "how real reality is" by doubting your perceptions of it.

Thanks all for your thoughts =)

I've read 1984, and love it. But in a dream, even a lucid one, some knowledge and awareness is swayed and corrupt. So the delusion, although natural, may lead to becoming non-lucid again if one is not able to ideally doublethink.