How Many Natural LDers

**Lord Toaster** · 04-14-2008 06:57 PM

I was just wondering, how many people here are natural lucid dreamers, and how many had to learn about it and how to do it, from Tutorials on DV or other sources?

Edit: In reply to Shift's reply, I would define a Natural Lucid Dreamer as someone who at some point lucid dreamt regularly without knowing anything about lucid dreams and without having made any effort to lucid dream at all.

**ChaybaChayba** · 04-14-2008 06:59 PM

I was a natural lucid dreamer when I was a kid (like most of the people I guess), but now not anymore! so do I pick yes or no? =p

**Shift** · 04-14-2008 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Toaster

I was just wondering, how many people here are natural lucid dreamers

Depends what you mean by natural, I guess. I think there are a lot of different definitions floating around on this site alone. I had my first lucid without having ever heard of lucid dreaming before, and after practicing for two years have had a few more. Does this make me a lucid dreamer, or not? I tend to think of myself as not natural. Of course I guess it depends... would I have had those dreams without having researched LDing online first? So I think you have to define "natural" better before anyone can answer such a question.

**Jdeadevil** · 04-14-2008 07:25 PM

Wish I was a Natural Lucid Dreamer!

**Sanquis** · 04-14-2008 07:33 PM

No.
Then again, what is natural? :/

Could you define a natural LD'er please? :3

**Scatterbrain** · 04-14-2008 07:43 PM

I've been having LDs since I was a kid, helped me escape some nasty nightmares back then.

**Luminous** · 04-14-2008 07:44 PM

I've been a natural since I was 3.

**Jdeadevil** · 04-14-2008 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sanquis

No.
Then again, what is natural? :/

Could you define a natural LD'er please? :3

Someone who can have a Lucid Dream without even trying. It comes naturally to them, just like a normal dream.

**Holiace** · 04-14-2008 08:07 PM

I'd say "natural" means that you've always had lucid dreams and that it has been normal for you to have them.

In that case, no. I've had 3 DILD's since I started keeping a dream journal.

**Jdeadevil** · 04-14-2008 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Holiace

I'd say "natural" means that you've always had lucid dreams and that it has been normal for you to have them.

In that case, no. I've had 3 DILD's since I started keeping a dream journal.

Hehe, well technically speaking it's normal for you to have them even if you're not a Natural.

As said on main page, all a lucid dream is, is a dream that you control.

**Anoorian** · 04-14-2008 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

Someone who can have a Lucid Dream without even trying. It comes naturally to them, just like a normal dream.

I really envy those that are natural LD'ers. Being able to do anything in their dreams even without having to work for it... Now that's something I'd like to be able to do.

**Jdeadevil** · 04-14-2008 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anoorian

I really envy those that are natural LD'ers. Being able to do anything in their dreams even without having to work for it... Now that's something I'd like to be able to do.

Same.

**Kamikaze Spirit** · 04-14-2008 08:40 PM

I found that none of the tutorials or methods worked for me and in fact putting no effort into lucid dreaming got me results. Simply the knowledge of lucid dreaming, I find, is enough to do it as I never practise doings RCs,WBTB or try WILDS.

I wouldn't say I am a natural just one that needed to know that it was possible.

**DuB** · 04-14-2008 08:53 PM

I recently completed a study for the Research Team forum where I asked people, among many other questions, how frequently they had lucid dreams before they began trying to induce them (in other words, their natural lucid dreaming ability). Out of 120 respondents, here is what I found:

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So you can decide for yourself depending on what precisely you consider to be a "natural." For example, if we define a natural as someone who has always had at least 1 lucid dream per week, then we could estimate that that would be around 6.7% of the users on this forum. It's important to remember that Dream Views likely gets a skewed sample of natural lucid dreamers, so the percentage in the general population is probably much lower.

For more information on the results of my study, see the thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...d.php?p=772586

**Jdeadevil** · 04-14-2008 08:57 PM

Most people never had a lucid dream before inducing them? That's strange.

**Shift** · 04-14-2008 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kamikaze Spirit

I wouldn't say I am a natural just one that needed to know that it was possible.

After telling my little sister about my first LD (she's 17yo), she started having them on nearly a nightly basis. All because I'd told her they were possible. I am SO jealous! She's not even that into them. She tells me about them because she knows I am, but she's never enthusiastic. How unfair!

**yay** · 04-14-2008 09:23 PM

hmm... Maybe there should be a poll about whether people think natural is someone who didn't know about it , but had one, or someone who is good at it without much effort.

There seems to be a lot of confusion with it, since the word natural can mean both innate, and proficient without much effort.

But if we say a natural is someone who is proficient, then what would we call someone with the innate ability? Or if we say a natural is someone with the innate ability, what would we call someone who is proficient?

**Shift** · 04-14-2008 09:56 PM

It seems there are three(+) types:

People who have been able to do it for years, and have good control and etc., who no one denies is a "natural".
People who have had one or two, and have since been incubating the ability (I fit under this). "amateurs"?
People who have never had one, but have heard about them, and have since been trying. I guess these are "novices"?

Of course, then there are people like my sister, who heard about the possibility, and became a natural immediately. I guess they would also be considered "naturals", because the gift of LDing was not something she had to work for.

**Jdeadevil** · 04-14-2008 10:03 PM

Notives and Amateurs are the same thing, it's all about if you're a Natural or not.

**iLight** · 04-14-2008 10:13 PM

Being natural is granted to all of us

what we should ask is, how do we unlock our potential to it?

woops im an unatural dreamer.

**ninja9578** · 04-14-2008 10:20 PM

I'm not a natural, but after you get used to lucid dreaming they come pretty quickly.

**Shift** · 04-14-2008 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

Notives and Amateurs are the same thing, it's all about if you're a Natural or not.

Yeah. I was thinking novice for someone who is brand new, amateur for someone who is developing the skill and has a small amount of it, the natural as someone who never had to work at it. That's only skill-wise. I've got an exam tomorrow, I haven't got the time/energy to try to figure out how to classify when you started LDing