Thread: am i missing too much ... ?

I dont think i have ever WILDed but i have often DIELDed tho.
I have never DILDed either.
I have never thought to lay down and try to get into a
lucid dream from there and that is what i take WIlDing to be.
I let the LDs happen when they happen but one thing i will
venture to say to you is....no matter how you get yourself
into a LD..........an LD is a LD is a LD.! If i ever did try WIlD
and was successful i know i would just do the same things i
always do in a LD. Anything completely abnormal!!

I think the control is much easier from WILD. Not to mention you can set yourself into the dream world quickly by using WILD techniques. I feel its much easier to obtain lucidity if you enter from being half awake. With some prior knowledge that you were a few seconds ago resting in your bed and suddenly find yourself in an abandoned house or wherever, you can obtain lucidity much quicker. So for speed and success rate i say WILD. Keep in mind as long as your having lucid dreams period you are more blessed than most...

Originally Posted by EEclips3

I think the control is much easier from WILD. Not to mention you can set yourself into the dream world quickly by using WILD techniques. I feel its much easier to obtain lucidity if you enter from being half awake. With some prior knowledge that you were a few seconds ago resting in your bed and suddenly find yourself in an abandoned house or wherever, you can obtain lucidity much quicker. So for speed and success rate i say WILD. Keep in mind as long as your having lucid dreams period you are more blessed than most...

I am always half awake when i LD. But i do not know when it will happen
or start off trying to make it happen. If i feel it i just go into it. So do
i WILD or do i not....that is the question!?! lol Also i am always in my own
room when a LD starts and never somewhere else. To go somewhere else
is the next step i take.

Originally Posted by EEclips3

I think the control is much easier from WILD. Not to mention you can set yourself into the dream world quickly by using WILD techniques. I feel its much easier to obtain lucidity if you enter from being half awake. With some prior knowledge that you were a few seconds ago resting in your bed and suddenly find yourself in an abandoned house or wherever, you can obtain lucidity much quicker. So for speed and success rate i say WILD. Keep in mind as long as your having lucid dreams period you are more blessed than most...

what you said totally makes sense .... but do you say this from experience ? (meaning: do you experience both DILD & WILD and attain control much easier from WILD than DILD ?)

thanks,
wa'el

What i dont understand....is you say now that to WILD you have start
from being half awake. But when i said that i do that, i was told i must have
a sleeping disorder to be able to get into 'rem' sleep that fast???

I don't think you have a sleep disorder. You just "do" WILDs. Most likely anyway. DILDs are LDs that begin when you are already in the dream, while in WILDs you go from the waking into the dream state directly.

What you're missing differs from person to person. When some experience a WILD they feel nothing special, just a clean transition. But others have a very powerful transition which may be accompanied by various Hypnagogic hallucinations and perhaps SP. Try it and you'll see for yourself. In my opinion, WILDs are a great way to "prove" to yourself, that LDs are real and not just illusions as some might have you believe (Just dreaming that you are LDing - something I personally don't believe possible). If you stay aware you'll see that your consciousness inside the dream isn't different from the one when you are awake.

My motivation for mastering WILD is that it's not so much hit-or-miss as MILDs or DILDs are. You could follow the instructions for DILD and even do it correctly and still not have an LD. If you know how to do it and do it right, WILDs end up as a guaranteed LD.

I have had a few Wilds and from my experiences there is very little difference in the sense of dream control, vividness etc.

I have Dilds every night, the advantage of a Wild is the fact you start from the beginning of the dream so you could have alot more time, and the advantage of a Dild is that you could become lucid in a really awesome situation.

The only thing you could be missing out on is the WILD ride. If you want to experience all the wacky hallucinations, the trance state, the 'high' feeling, and such. It is pretty fun, but not nearly as great as the lucid dream. I say, if you are getting frequent DILDs, don't mess with the system.

thanks for your feedback guys .... appreciate it ...

Originally Posted by Bonsay

I don't think you have a sleep disorder. You just "do" WILDs. Most likely anyway. DILDs are LDs that begin when you are already in the dream, while in WILDs you go from the waking into the dream state directly.

Yep thats how i always do it, but the difference in my WILDs is that
I dont lie there in bed trying to make it happen. I just lie down to
go to sleep like every other night. And then maybe 5 - 10 minutes
later, sometimes even faster then that it seems. The transitions or shift
just happens naturally and i recognize it and go with it. But....not every
time i go to bed tho. So because it only happens for me sometimes, ive
been trying to find the reasons why it happens when it does. All i could
ever come up with is that i have to be so tired that i start drfting away
almost as soon as i lie down. Other nights i might lay there for 20 minutes
before i finally fall asleep, too much on the brain. Those times i never have
LD. But whatever it is, i just wait for it to happen. Sometimes once or
twice a week, sometimes once or twice a month. Sometimes, very rarely
tho, i wont have one for 2 or 3 months. I am never going to start trying
to set my alarm to try and get into one after a NLD because to me thats
crazy! I cant afford to lose sleep like that, sometimes if i awake in the
middle of the night, i cant get right back to sleep. I need to stay asleep
for as long as possible because i am a person who never wants to sleep.
To me, going in and out of LDing all night would be losing precious sleep,
and so i believe my body only lets me do it when it believes i can afford
the time-out of sleeping. Can you follow my reasoning?
For a person like me who thinks sleeping is a waste of time, LDs are the
perfect solution! I can also be awake while im dreaming....and just live!
If one could possibly LD all night long....i wonder if we'd still be getting the
sleep needed to combat life??

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

The only thing you could be missing out on is the WILD ride. If you want to experience all the wacky hallucinations, the trance state, the 'high' feeling, and such. It is pretty fun, but not nearly as great as the lucid dream. I say, if you are getting frequent DILDs, don't mess with the system.

I think i know what you mean.....the transition period before youre totally
in the LD....right?? If im right then my transition periods only last for
a few seconds tho.

Originally Posted by wa'el

so here's the thing ....
all my LDs are basically DILD .... never had WILDs or even tried to do so ....

my question (for the users who experience both DILD and WILD):

am i missing too much ? do WILDs feel better that DILD or there's no difference basically ? does the level of control vary between both or it has nothing to do with it ?


thanks in advance ...

wa'el

from my experience you maintain consciousness during WILDs as in DILDs you're sub-conscious but then retain consciousness, it is easier to control WILDs and you usually will have more control over them

Originally Posted by supreme

To me, going in and out of LDing all night would be losing precious sleep,
and so i believe my body only lets me do it when it believes i can afford
the time-out of sleeping. Can you follow my reasoning?
For a person like me who thinks sleeping is a waste of time, LDs are the
perfect solution! I can also be awake while im dreaming....and just live!
If one could possibly LD all night long....i wonder if we'd still be getting the
sleep needed to combat life??

I wish I got LDs just like that.
You know, there are natural LDers. Or in your case, even more natural than yourself. And from time to time they show up here. They claim that every dream they have is a lucid one. I have no reason to believe that the are lying... so maybe that answers your question about getting enough sleep .

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

from my experience you maintain consciousness during WILDs as in DILDs you're sub-conscious but then retain consciousness, it is easier to control WILDs and you usually will have more control over them

You're still conscious when you are dreaming. The only problem is your awareness. Apparently your logic center is turned off. That's why pink elephants can be acceptable in normal dreams. I consider the sub-conscious to be a different "entity", so I wouldn't say that you're sub-conscious when dreaming. I say this because unconscious processes still occur in dreams (lucid ones as well). Who else is controlling my emotions, feelings, sustaining the environment and making decisions on what random thing will happen next. I must admit though, that something must be behind the control possible in dreams.

Firstly, I think to that to control the dream fabric is not immediately distuingishable as either consciously or subconsciously. I believe that consciousness has many levels--some so low that some may denote them as subconscious control. Nonetheless, if you entertain this idea, then there is a distinction, for me, between DILDs and WILDs. That is, when WILDing, I am more conscious, more aware, and more in control in comparison to DILDs.

An analogy that may elucidate such could be how you feel when greatly intoxicated with alcohol compared to when you're sober: You're still conscious, and have some form of control, but your decisions, thoughts and impromptu behaviour differs between the two states.

Note: to avoid confusion, when I refer to subconsciousness I simply mean actions occurring without your known will. I do not mean your physical state.