Thread: Are we pioneers?

I don't know about pioneers since the ancient Yogi's of Asia and the Shamans of Mexico and Central America have been practicing this for years.

I like to think of us as archeologists that have uncovered some ancient knowledge and are now attempting to revive a really neat practice.

I think we are pioneers in a way since we are exploring the space inside are own heads :-)

Nice statement Turkeh, hehe space in my head is big lol.

To a certain extent it would be reviving a practice like Seeker said, but it is also pioneering. The modern view on such subjects and the interpretations of it all is very different to a long time ago.

yeah, good statement turkeh. pioneers + archaelogitsts. divided by 2.

I would say we are pioneers,
b/c we are bringing lucid dreaming to a new frontier.....
unlike the tibbetans and yoga masters,
who don't really spread their culture so much just continue it in their microcausm(s).. .

Calling them pioneers would be like calling the romans.. Pioneers of technolgy, yea they had it.... but it never went outside their realm,

And don't think i'm demeaning the tibbetans or romans, b/c i have mad respect for them, I just wouldn't confuse them as pioneers in our world,
Yes, they're pioneers in a sense, in that, they may have mapped out a bit of the lucid world for us and others to explore
But the fact of the matter is, they've been lucid dreaming for thousand of years, and the flame is just now spreading. .. . .
so i guess maybe..were pioneers w/ them i'd say.... i duno, define 'pioneers'

either way.. . .
I think lucid dreaming is the future.. . . or part of it,
I believe were on the brink of a spiritual revolution and i think lucid dreaming will walk almost hand and hand w/ it. . . . .
so pioneers, yea...
i would say

No, Aristotle and Socrates are already responsible for creating theories on dreaming and brushing upon lucid dreaming a little.. maybe we could be the oneironauts but, it's not something that hasn't been thought of before, really.

i think we're pioneers because we are the first to use this technique in a secular sense.

many people who lucid dream don't think that dreams are divine messages or anything like that, but they recognize that we are walking across very interesting territory.

meep.

I agree...
we defintly are pioneeers,

interpreting dreams
and lucid dreaming
are 2 complety different things.. . .. . .

Were bringing lucid dreaming to a new frontier, which makes us pioneers,
lucid dreaming is growing exponentially, it will change the face of world, it will change the way we lives our lives, it will change science.. .and as i said, there is a spirtual revolution at hand.. etc. . . .
of course... i'm an optimist.. . .
there's always the chance that we will suffer a different fate,
but don't get me into that.. ..

The more that science is accepted, the more culture and tradition we lose. I've been reading about how so many cultures and languages are being forgotten in favor of our modern culture. I doubt the world will catch on, but we can always effect the people around us. When I got back to school this year, one of my friends who I told lucid dreaming about is learning how to have lucid dreams, and he's pretty good at it to. Another one of my friends is scared of having LD nightmares, which is why he doesn't participate. Another is curious, and I'm helping him out right now. A few other people simply disregard it as 'not worth the effort'. If I ever start a family when I'm older (I'd have to grow up ), I would certainly teach my kids how to do it, so at least it would be a family tradition starting with the almighty me

I think one of our reasons for existence is exploration of existence itself. It began with us exploring our own planet and our senses with which we experience those things around us. We explored land, then sea, then air and finally space. I think the evolution in exploration that we've been at for a while now is studying the stars from afar (furthest outward point) and likewise studying the mind from afar (furthest inward point) and also pondering the possibility of spirit, or existing not in this material form - perhaps energy without matter.

Now what we're seeing lately is people actually studying space from space itself, going into space and exploring it, and also people actually going into mind itself and exploring it. This is what we are doing when we lucid dream. Exploring mind from within itself. Experiencing actually being inside our own mind. This is really exciting to me. We are like the inverse of astronauts. We also require training, which requires a good deal of time for most, and the controls are pretty tough to learn. To a beginner they often look overwhelming - like the controls on a spaceship to someone who has never actually been in one before. Maybe heard things from other people and seen pictures of the controls.

I often wonder if the furthest point inward is also the furthest point outward.

Perhaps each of our minds is like a galaxy. And there is distance between these galaxies just as there are in the physical universe. And maybe one can learn to sort of quantum leap it's entire galaxy to another person's galaxy. Sort of overlay them. And planets don't collide, they just combin when they crash into other planets. These planets are ideas. You exchange ideas with people. Or sometimes it's just subconscious, learned behavior. But when we do this, overlay our galaxies with another's, we actually change. Thus the people you are around have an effect on the very essence of who you are. So this is the reflection of those inward changes outwardly - in the physical universe.

But if we inward explorers can take enough control of our own galaxy to consciously make this shift and overlay ourselves with another's inward galaxy - perhaps this is how we contact people in dreams. And if both are conscious (both people are having lucid dreams) then your galaxies are combined and the two of you can explore together the possibilities and combinations of all of both your thoughts and memories and such (that is, all the information in your mind - your inward galaxy).

So what we need to do now is find a way to take such control. I have heard of people doing it on accident and even some doing it at will several times, but there must be a way to learn to do it at will every time. In the physical universe, we have explored enough to understand what in fact everything is made of and how things are the way they are - even to the point of atoms and quarks, gravity, electricity, magnetism. In the physical world, these things are physical obviously. But in the world of mind these can be but thoughts. Believe that something works the way it does and it does. I have flown many times, walked through glass and walls, put my hand through furniture, etc. These experiences were not based on laws, but in fact the opposite of laws - simple faith.

So it seems logical that if we use physical laws to invent forms of transportation and communication in the physical world, it should be much simpler in the dream world - we should be able to just imagine some means of transportation or communication and use it to get to or contact others. Perhaps we imagine a phone on the wall behind us, turn around and there it is. Then we imagine that we will be able to use that phone to contact someone in particular. If we have faith strong enough I believe that phone will ring in the other's dream.

Now here's an even more interesting proposal - that if we have faith strong enough, a phone will ring in the physical universe. Now one more - that if we have faith strong enough, we could pick up any phone in the physical universe, dial any number of our own choosing, and the phone would ring in someone else's dream.

Originally posted by Xisdence
Nice statement Turkeh, hehe space in my head is big lol.

To a certain extent it would be reviving a practice like Seeker said, but it is also pioneering. The modern view on such subjects and the interpretations of it all is very different to a long time ago.

Yep - we are all pioneers of ourselves, and LD's, however we are certainly not the 'fathers' (and mothers?) of LDing
We are simply attempting to relearn old knowledge and take it to the next level

Originally posted by Turkeh
I think we are pioneers in a way since we are exploring the space inside are own heads :-)

DAMN IT I GOT LOST!!!!!!!!

Big damn empty head.......

Falls in pit....

HELP!

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In a way we are pioneers, not many people in this day and age even believe that Lucid Dreaming is possiblity.

hmm... not pioneers, i would rather call us "explorers"

I think LaBerge and the lucid dreamers he worked with where the pioneers, and the people before him that tried to get the word out.