Thread: Is Lucd Dreaming the way to Break Out of the Matrix?

Originally Posted by Ghost94

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Okay. Dream Views started as a lucid dreaming website. We lucid dreamers came here to talk about lucid dreaming.

AND THEN, BOOM$

The "wabbadabbadiduu"-dudes found this website, and started loading their crap over here. OMG!!! Why do all these people have to come here? Make your own forum and leave this one for LUCID DREAMING

When we gather information trough our neural system troughout the day, our brain doesn´t store the information properly. That is why we sleep so the brains have some time to save that data. And when we are asleep, our brain isolates from the neural system. And the parts wich get info from the neural system get "woken up" when we are at REM sleep. Then they gather info from inside the brain. Then we see dreams.

AND IT´S JUST THAT!

Just try to accept it. We dont go to any "spiritual" place when we sleep, we dont see "demons", and nothing like that occurs while dreaming!!

And the "sleeping stones" or whatever, wich are supposted to make ourselfs sleep better and feel better at daytime or whatever, WE KNOW EXACTLY, that when our brain believes in something, it starts to act like that, for evolutional reasons. So if I would give you a pill saying, that it makes you LD for sure this night, you would most propably have an LD next night.

Or then lets take anabolic steroids. Actually a big part (even 10-20%) of the muscle gains they give you, do not occur because of the staight anabolic affect they have. The 10-20% of the affect is caused by our brain (ourselves), wich thinks: "Because of those steroids, I must get big gains" and then our body does it that way, increasing mucle gains...


So what if you few, who have to do topics like this would just accept, that we dream normally, there is nothing weird with it, and the world we live in is the world we live in, and in my opinion, the only "spiritual" thing in this world is God. And I´m not saying that anyone has to believe in God, but I do.

I think that the 90% of the users of this forum thinks the same way I do about you "spiritualdemonmatrix"-dudes.

Ah, yeah, okay. Nightie Night.

Originally Posted by TheTimeKeep

First off, where the hell are you getting these facts? And second off, you used the word subliminal completely wrong, everyone does. Its annoying. Quite it.

Okay you're right. I meant "subconsciously". Where am I getting the facts? It's called using my awareness and seeking out information and putting the pieces together.

Something that assisted a great deal in helping me understand what I've felt and known for a long time, but chose to deny, was listening to the information provided by Alan Watt @ cuttingthroughthematrix. com.

ahhh, so you used your awareness to seek information? something is SERIOUSLY messed up with your "awareness", cause its feeding you a ton of bullshit

Originally Posted by BaKo

ahhh, so you used your awareness to seek information? something is SERIOUSLY messed up with your "awareness", cause its feeding you a ton of bullshit

Oh. Ah, ha, ha, ha.

If anything, OBEs would be worse for these "controllers" than LDs. Your arugument is flawed.

Deviating from the original conversation...

Originally Posted by FOREVERLUCID

"CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS FIVE SHOULD BE TAUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THE PLEASURES OF GAY SEX, according to leaders of a TAXPAYER-FUNDED education project."

"BOOKS, PUPPET SHOWS AND PLAYS ARE USED TO TEACH CHILDREN ABOUT SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS."

Fuck THAT shit, pardon my German.

Originally Posted by erik212

If anything, OBEs would be worse for these "controllers" than LDs. Your arugument is flawed.

Not quite sure what the argument is, I only recall posing a question. As for OBE's, I've never had the inclination to dabble in that, as I've read somewhere that has to do with all that Astral mumbo jumbo (apparantly a GNOSTIC idea), where the possibility lies to encouter dark energies.

Hey, that's not what I wish to play with, there is enough of that kind of energy right here in the waking world not to mention "this forum".

I only wish to master the sentient reality for the moment. It to me, is urget enough and the first step. I also feel that Lucid Dreaming is a tool to be utilized for that purpose.

However, I will read up on OBE's, again. It's a little to spooky for my taste.

Originally Posted by Lëzen

Deviating from the original conversation...

Fuck THAT shit, pardon my German.

Exquisite German, no pardon necessary. All a part of the plan towards the freemasonic goal of "perfecting that which was left unperfected" by the Creator.

Lot of interesting information in a book called: "Cutting Through The Matrix Volumes I, II, III - "The Hermaphroditic Agenda" by Alan Watt available @: cuttingthroughthematrix.com, if anyone is ever interested.

You were never here. You never saw anything.

Originally Posted by BaKo

ahhh, so you used your awareness to seek information? something is SERIOUSLY messed up with your "awareness", cause its feeding you a ton of bullshit

Don't dwell in these forums...

The many people who are unaware of the energies surrounding them, often dwell in internet forums longer than it is healthy.

What they don't recognize is, how much negative energy resides here.

Most people in today's internet forums express their negative energies in posts, which is now becoming very obvious too in these Lucid Dreaming Forums.

If you look at what kind of threads get the most posts, you will find that these threads are often those who carry nonsensical matter that is often heavily debated. The outcome is pure negativity with not even a result.

Simply by reading these posts, people need to understand that they are picking up the negative energy which was projected into the text by their respective authors. In other words, if you read a thread including it's dozens of comments you consume a total energetic chaos and even worse the fact that most of the comments by now, are of a negative nature.


This is what people need to realize, therefore stay aware from argumentatons and confrontations in the internet. Avoid reading unnecessary comments and stop dealing with people of a lesser understanding than your own. People should agree to disagree, rather than falling to the energetic traps set all over the internet.


Ciao For Now!!

I'm going to be blunt. You sir, are a first class nutjob.

All of you conspiracy theorists huddle together and come up with the craziest ideas about what's "really going on", and spew your crap all over people who want nothing to do with it.

To top it off, whenever anyone decides to speak out against your nonsense, you don't bother to respond to their arguments. You laugh at people and their "naivete", and then continue to ramble on about free masonic world domination plans. Try backing up your arguments with solid data.

Of course, that's the problem isn't it? So much of the information that you have "gathered" is second hand or not credible. This is, by your logic, because "the creators" are suppressing the flow of truth. However, in actuality you're just a narcissistic chump who has brainwashed yourself with complete nonsense.

So please, for the sake of myself and other sane members of this forum who enjoy discussing the topic of lucid dreaming, take your pandering nonsense elsewhere.

Originally Posted by FatalForces

Try backing up your arguments with solid data.

Try pulling your head out of your ass. Maybe you'll see.

Originally Posted by FatalForces

I'm going to be blunt. You sir, are a first class nutjob.

Back atcha!!

Originally Posted by FOREVERLUCID

Try pulling your head out of your ass. Maybe you'll see.



Back atcha!!

Good one.



Seriously, this is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Njd1990

Good one.



Seriously, this is ridiculous.

Likewise, Back Atcha!!

Originally Posted by Ghost94

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Okay. Dream Views started as a lucid dreaming website. We lucid dreamers came here to talk about lucid dreaming.

AND THEN, BOOM

The "wabbadabbadiduu"-dudes found this website, and started loading their crap over here. OMG!!! Why do all these people have to come here? Make your own forum and leave this one for LUCID DREAMING

When we gather information trough our neural system troughout the day, our brain doesn´t store the information properly. That is why we sleep so the brains have some time to save that data. And when we are asleep, our brain isolates from the neural system. And the parts wich get info from the neural system get "woken up" when we are at REM sleep. Then they gather info from inside the brain. Then we see dreams.

AND IT´S JUST THAT!

Just try to accept it. We dont go to any "spiritual" place when we sleep, we dont see "demons", and nothing like that occurs while dreaming!!

And the "sleeping stones" or whatever, wich are supposted to make ourselfs sleep better and feel better at daytime or whatever, WE KNOW EXACTLY, that when our brain believes in something, it starts to act like that, for evolutional reasons. So if I would give you a pill saying, that it makes you LD for sure this night, you would most propably have an LD next night.

Or then lets take anabolic steroids. Actually a big part (even 10-20%) of the muscle gains they give you, do not occur because of the staight anabolic affect they have. The 10-20% of the affect is caused by our brain (ourselves), wich thinks: "Because of those steroids, I must get big gains" and then our body does it that way, increasing mucle gains...


So what if you few, who have to do topics like this would just accept, that we dream normally, there is nothing weird with it, and the world we live in is the world we live in, and in my opinion, the only "spiritual" thing in this world is God. And I´m not saying that anyone has to believe in God, but I do.

I think that the 90% of the users of this forum thinks the same way I do about you "spiritualdemonmatrix"-dudes.

Maybe, maybe you just haven't seen the truth?

Hey, foreverlucid!

You´re gonna be so rich. You just invented the ultimate source of free energy! Tadaa... Good for you....

Okay, so if we feel angry, our body releases a chemical in our brain, wich makes us angry....

So if you just gather a ton of that chemical, and put it into a tank, wich is connected onto a turbine, you should be able to make free energy using your dark evil demon bad death hell fire energies. GOOD for YOOU!

Seriosly, get a life.

And btw, you would be much more credible, if you wouldn´t respond with smilies.. and "hahahahaha"s

Originally Posted by Ghost94

Hey, foreverlucid!

You´re gonna be so rich. You just invented the ultimate source of free energy! Tadaa... Good for you....

Okay, so if we feel angry, our body releases a chemical in our brain, wich makes us angry....

So if you just gather a ton of that chemical, and put it into a tank, wich is connected onto a turbine, you should be able to make free energy using your dark evil demon bad death hell fire energies. GOOD for YOOU!

Seriosly, get a life.

And btw, you would be much more credible, if you wouldn´t respond with smilies.. and "hahahahaha"s

Oh, touche

FOREVER LUCID - I can't believe you take things you read in the Daily Mail of all fucking places seriously, but believe that the education system and all forms of society are ruled by a secret cabal of freemasons or whatever.

Dreams are real, reality is fake.

Only when you sleep are you in the real world, and only when you lucid dream are you truly experiencing the real world.

Originally Posted by DeLorean Dude

Dreams are real, reality is fake.

Only when you sleep are you in the real world, and only when you lucid dream are you truly experiencing the real world.

Depends on what you mean. If you mean that in spiritual sense, or in physical sense, then you are a bit too young to join here...

But if you mean that in Philosopical sense, then you are right, cause no one can argue about that... And I expect you mean that in philosopical sense.

Yeah, I was thinking of the philosophical sense.

ForeverLucid, every single one of your replies to our arguments have been stupid sarcastic remarks that don't prove anything whatsoever. That just shows you have no evidence to back your statements up but stupid shit like "pull your head out of your ass". Hopefully someday you'll realize how stupid you really are believing all this bullshit and saying its the "truth" for no other reason than you watched some crazy scumbag's video who is just trying to squeeze money out of you (unless he really believes it, which makes him a mentally-ill crazy scumbag). So yeah, reply to this post with all the eye-rolling smilies and "hahahahah"s and head-in-the-ass jokes as you want, but you are a complete douchebag and just made a complete fool out of yourself.

The Matrix is just a movie... If it was real The Architect would destroy all copies so no one would find the truth.

Simple.

i beleive that intergrating the dream realm and physical realm will come to pass, in my life i feel it is already happening in a subtle way and must be happening to everyone wether they are aware of it or not, but i think there is no such thing as controllers, i think there is only the controlled, for example, people who are against lucid dreaming, obe's and stuff are not against it because they know its possobilities and want to keep us all robotic, if that were the case they would have already explored all the lucid dreaming stuff and know a lot more than we do already, i think they may be against simply because of fear of what might happen if they are against it at all, if i mention it to people who i think its stupid they just generally laugh and think im stupid for persuing pointless things, but this is just there upbringing and conditioning that has made them this way, maybe it is seen as 'uncool' to be a dreamer, or maybe it is seen as evil to some even, but this is only due to how they have been influenced by there peers during life and themselfs, we shouldnt blame people if they hate LD but just realise that it just there believes it is wrong or whatever and then simply not worry them with it, it is not there lives and we are not them, they will figure what they need to in there own time, anyway this here is just my beleives on it all, but i dont think force ever works, just lead by example, if they see no harm has come, they may change their minds, hmm, i might be off the subject a bit here sorry, so i dont think the 'controllers' are aware of what they are stopping at all, if they are even stopping anything, because i think whatever happens with this realm and dream realm intergration will happen regardless if it wants to or not, just like you dont know how you got here, you dont know where youl go, the controllers are simply doing what they believe to be right, thats my thoughts anyway.

on the intergration part, i think both dream realms and this realm is the same or from the same source, only on is more stable and one is more fluid and changable, but i believe that both are mind created, i know this sounds crazy but know one knows weather one is more real than the other, they can only beleive this to be true, the truth lies somewhere beyond concepts and thoughts, but i think lucid dreaming may be a key to this truth, but i think this realm is more solid for a reason, if it were not, these words would change and places and things would change like dreaming, therefore we could not create relationships and bonding and comunication, but i believe that gods plan, or the universes plan, or evolutionary plan is to integrate the two so we can still have these things, relationships etc, but in a more spiritual lucid manner, hmm, but then i wonder, why isnt it already that way? ive been in this weird state of conciousness while half asleep were it felt like this reality was actually the smaller one and more dence were as the dreaming was actually in a sence outside it and beyond it, its hard to explain, its like i was in the dreaming mind but fully aware of my physical body, and it seemed a minor extension of what i really am just like a drip to an ocean, but for some reason i am nearly always the drip, it seemes the common mentality to think that we are looking outside now and dreaming is internal, but it felt to be the opposite way at that point, it was freaky and i sort of got out of it because sometimes i am affraid of what i might find out, like its too much or something, anyway, i have a tendency to go on and on, but if this helps thats cool and if anyone has any ideas on this id love to here them.