Before Sleep WILD

[Excessaccess]

How hard is this to do?

[erik212]

explain...

[Robot_Butler]

For most people, it is hard enough to be called impossible. The main problem is, you are nowhere near a REM cycle when you first go to bed. This means there is nothing for you to WILD into. There are ways around it. If you mess with your sleep schedule you may be able to get a REM cycle right away. Tricky to do. You can always give it a try. You may be one of the people who this works for. No harm in trying, right? If you can't do a Wake Back To Bed to WILD in the middle of the night, try it during an afternoon nap.

[Excessaccess]

erik212, what I mean is usually WILDs are done after 4-6 hours of sleep, so you'll be closer to REM. I want to know about attempting a WILD before you go to sleep at all.. Well, what's the difference between WILDing in the afternoon and WILDing before you go to bed? Maybe I'm just ignorant. Are you closer to REM in the middle of the day then at the end? ..Do you think you would have to lay awake through the entire sleep cycle until you get to REM for this to work? Like 80 minutes, or whatever?

[jongiambi]

it would take 2-5 hours

[Alski]

I just started all of this the other day, and apparently Ive been getting to sleep paralysis straight to bed, and almost a lucid dream. I think I may have had one this way last night, but if I did, it was an FA and I went back to sleep.

[moonshine]

For most people, it is hard enough to be called impossible. The main problem is, you are nowhere near a REM cycle when you first go to bed. This means there is nothing for you to WILD into. There are ways around it. If you mess with your sleep schedule you may be able to get a REM cycle right away. Tricky to do. You can always give it a try. You may be one of the people who this works for. No harm in trying, right? If you can't do a Wake Back To Bed to WILD in the middle of the night, try it during an afternoon nap. Don't even try to wild at night. I tried it the first time. Got into SP (I believe), but ended up staring at nothing for 5 hours. DONT DO IT. I tried, briefly this morning having woke up at 5.30. Within minutes I was catching flashes of dreams and feeling heavy. Had to get up for work soon after, but the difference from my 1st time was considerable.

[Robot_Butler]

For some reason, most people have a REM cycle in the afternoon. It is that after-lunch groggyness that hits around 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I've always wondered why this is also. I've heard people catch one in the late morning, too. Maybe it is regulated by our eating habits or mental fatigue levels? I don't know. Your body definitely knows the difference between a nap and a night's sleep. Its hard to fool yourself. I used to do the equivalent of WILD when I first laid down to sleep. I would hold onto my awareness through the blankness of dreamless sleep, and end up in a total blank void. It is extremely hard to describe. It is a goal unto itself in Tibetan Dream Yoga.

[Excessaccess]

I have practiced SP a few times before sleep. For me it seems easier to acheive before sleep than when I wake up in the middle of the night. In either case, I'm left staring at whatever..! Robot_butler, I read a little about alternative sleep patterns from the forum. There's this theory of a 'biphasic sleep pattern'(or something), basically two periods of sleep. Maybe that has something to do with why a WILD is easier to achieve in the afternoon..?