Thread: Ultrasound to induce Lucid Dreams?

so high frequency ultrasound can pass through the skull?

According to that, it might, but why take risks of using higher power? I mean, it's your brain and it's not like you're saving more than 100 bucks...

Also it might not be possible to stimulate the whole brain from a few small 'holes' which can be dangerous (I have personal experience).

And in reply to 'this might make a scientific article', well, who knows.

Oh and btw, why on earth aren't there ultrasound imaging that uses less than 2 mhz waves? Are they that in-the-box thinkers??

Originally Posted by visor

According to that, it might, but why take risks of using higher power? I mean, it's your brain and it's not like you're saving more than 100 bucks...

Also it might not be possible to stimulate the whole brain from a few small 'holes' which can be dangerous (I have personal experience).

And in reply to 'this might make a scientific article', well, who knows.

Oh and btw, why on earth aren't there ultrasound imaging that uses less than 2 mhz waves? Are they that in-the-box thinkers??

Hey Visor I have a question the US-1000 second edition says it can do 1MHz + - 10%.

So does that mean it can do 900 KHz?

http://www.healiohealth.com/tek9.asp...cific=jplnerd0

That's how I understand it but I would first ask of them.

WARNING ABOUT INFRARED (or ultrasound for that matter)

First off, I've had a reason to feel fine about using infrared. My MRI scan after 2,5 years of use has been seen by 2 doctors, one of them an acquitance and they could see nothing in them.

However, this doesn't translate into it been safe to use for the next 20 years. I've read that even premature, sudden death might be possible.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=32

Before you try infrared or ultrasound on your brain, read this page entirely, especially Daedalus's comments as he's the one with expertise with cellular biology. He has said that it is unlikely that the effects of infrared be beneficial on the whole. Or that little might be but not the amounts to get significant effects with alzheimer.

There is, I think, somewhat more data on ultrasound than infrared on neurons, but no data on chronic use. The cellular mechanisms by which ultrasound might stimulate the brain are probably going to be different and they might be more tolerant of outside manipulation but we don't know.

So, if you must experiment (as in you're curious about the effects), be very careful, low doses and time (the complicating factor is, while we have an idea of the first, we have even less of the latter).

If you have a condition that might benefit from a brain working better, I suggest participating (if you can) in the gathering of information of the possible damage mechanisms and how it shows in a brain scan or finding people to design us a device for brain imaging done at home (because MRI's done every 2 years or so is pretty expensive).

If you want to forego that, and use the thing, remember that it may not be all that different from using any hard stimulant daily, although with slower tolerance developing. I haven't looked but I think there should be enough data that too much stimulants wear the brain out. While that might not, to be exact, be the mechanism here (more like the heightened ATP causing a chain reaction that when continued long enough, results in apoptosis=cell death), the end result could be the same. No functional brain left or death.

Especially alarming is Daedalu's thought that if you don't take brain scans, you might not notice anything until the whole system collapses.

i plan to use the ultrasound on my forehead for 30 seconds. but thanks for the head up

Indeed in the study by Arizona state University they said

"Few studies have examined the effects of chronic US administration on brain function. We found that chronic LILFU stimulation (36–48 h) did not alter the fine structure of neuronal membranes. Demonstrating the need for caution however, a recent study reported that repeated US exposure is capable of producing some disruption of neuronal migration in the cortex of developing mouse embryos"

30 seconds? What if nothing happens in that time? It's a slippery slope...

That study on mouse embryos is commented in the wiki for ultrasound sonography to make it not seem so bad.

I'm looking into software analysis of MRI pictures. MRI costs $1000 where I live, I don't think that's too much.

Day 2 with ultrasound. Daily dose 2 minutes for now.

Last night before sleep in bed I experienced a kind of vocal tension release that otherwise is fairly rare for me. It was daily when I first began infrared.

If I'm to believe Sonotech's sales pitch, using the right type of gel is important. I had been thinking of making my own and I know that gel ingredients are available on the net but since the price isn't too bad ($22.50 for 5 litres), maybe I should just buy it ready made.

Although the downside is that if I try to irradiate my whole head, it will take a lot of gel. I'll concentrate on just the forehead in the beginning as there are no hairs to further reduce effect (I did shave my head already). So if I find out this does work, then I'll order the gel.

Originally Posted by visor

Day 2 with ultrasound. Daily dose 2 minutes for now.

Last night before sleep in bed I experienced a kind of vocal tension release that otherwise is fairly rare for me. It was daily when I first began infrared.

If I'm to believe Sonotech's sales pitch, using the right type of gel is important. I had been thinking of making my own and I know that gel ingredients are available on the net but since the price isn't too bad ($22.50 for 5 litres), maybe I should just buy it ready made.

Although the downside is that if I try to irradiate my whole head, it will take a lot of gel. I'll concentrate on just the forehead in the beginning as there are no hairs to further reduce effect (I did shave my head already). So if I find out this does work, then I'll order the gel.

Im confused how are you gonna put the ultrasound on your forehead while your dreaming?

You'll need an assistant that will be able to see your eyelids moving so that he/she knows your dreaming.

Then he/she will put the ultrasonic massager on your forehead without waking you up.

I wish it was a one man operation

You forgot that I already made pretty clear that this massager is, if at all, going to work for general brain stimulation only -> forget real-time stimulation of a specific part of the brain or stuff like that. That's only my somewhat educated guess, of course. But, if I lived near you and we could arrange an experiment, I would be willing to bet money on your experiment not working out in a reliable way.

It appears this board does not support editing of just a little bit old messages. To continue viewing what happens to me on ultrasound, click:

http://www.abolitionist-society.com/...hp?p=6703#6703

the link seems to be down

It works for me, still problems?

Btw sorry if I appear negative but I'm just trying to save your money & time.

Originally Posted by visor

It works for me, still problems?

Btw sorry if I appear negative but I'm just trying to save your money & time.

Thanks visor, and the link is good now.

Originally Posted by westonci

I discovered the fact that ultrasound massagers might work. I ordered one with 0.5 mhz operative frequency, close to the 0.6-0.7 mhz best for skull penetration. I don't know the power level of it, but I presume it is the same as pretty much other massagers, less than 0.5 W/cm2.

hey visor can you give me a link to the website where you bought your 0.5MHz massager

thanks

I'm telling you, don't buy one. I'm getting rid of mine. If you absolute must try it, then ok, I can sell you mine. But I'm telling you that a) either you will get no benefits or b) your brain will get a bit damaged in the process. Not worth it.

We'll have to search for the parts and make our own.

Originally Posted by visor

I'm telling you, don't buy one. I'm getting rid of mine. If you absolute must try it, then ok, I can sell you mine. But I'm telling you that a) either you will get no benefits or b) your brain will get a bit damaged in the process. Not worth it.

We'll have to search for the parts and make our own.

Thanks for the heads up, but I still want to experiment.

I'll be glad to purchase the ultrasonic massager from you.

Looking this device up to be triggered by a NovaDreamer or similar contraption is pretty easy (a question of soldering wires onto the Novadreamer's LED pins and using the power surge when they turn on to activate the ultrasound). That may enhance the accuracy of the experiment somewhat.

So i finally bought an ultrasonic facial Massager. It operates at 1Mhz and and has pulsed and continous wave profiles, and comes in three power levels.

I have two questions.

1. Is a coupling gel required for the ultrasound to transmit through my body?

2. How can I focus the ultrasound? Do I need to do use phased array of multiple ultrasonic massagers to target the ultrasound?

I have followed the link that you have post, and I have found out the ultrasound that you have said. It is really nice and it is working. But before moving on to controlling your dreams, you should help yourself on staying lucid once you become lucid in your dreams.