Thread: Point of View

Originally Posted by Shift

If that happens and I give it up and don't become lucid it's a non-lucid, if I do make the connection it's a lucid. It's like an on-off switch IMO. That fine line is a transition period, but not really a state itself.

Aw, I hate to disagree with you shift, as you're always so lovely...
BUUUUUT....

I think that lucidity is more of a spectrum, just like daily awareness is a spectrum ranging from total mental clarity, all the way down to a kind of drunk groggyness.

The book "The Conscious Exploration of Dreams" (fantastic book everyone should read) outlines various different levels of lucidity, and the states leading up to it.

I've certainly had lucid dreams in which the levels of my mental clarity are far more intense. Then there are the lucid dreams where i'm hovering between knowing im dreaming, but still getting caught up in the drama of the dream as if it were real.

But I do very much understand where you are coming from, in general the transition from normal dreaming to lucidity does seem very much of an "aha" lightswitch moment.

Yea, I just personally don't care to factor it in unless I am truly lucid, ie knowing for sure that I'm dreaming. Suspicion doesn't cut it for me, since that means I'm still not 100% sure and still partially submersed in the dream. Truly knowing it, for me that's lucidity. I don't believe in defining levels of lucidity either, but some people do. Doesn't really matter I guess. People will feel differently, that's how I do.

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

The book "The Conscious Exploration of Dreams" (fantastic book everyone should read) outlines various different levels of lucidity, and the states leading up to it.

I just got the book in the mail and am about to read it

There are definitely different levels of lucidity for me ranging from being dimly aware that the situation is not real but still being caught up in the events, to being as conscious as when I'm awake with full self-control and access to memories, logic etc. I don't consider the lower end of the scale to be a LD. I can relate to the whole "on/off" switch thing though that Shift and Space Ex refer to. True and complete lucidity feels like "waking up" only I'm still inside the dream.

All my NDs and LDs are in first person. I've only ever had one or two NDs in 3rd.

I've had a couple of 3rd person dreams, one of which was lucid. It was sad because I couldn't do anything though.

I wonder if it's possible to have a second person dream... because as soon as you become "you," the "you" you were becoming becomes an "I," and thus you're in first person. That was about the least coherent sentence I have ever written.

I don't think there's really an in between lucid and not lucid... actually I take that back. Never mind, I don't know what I think. xP There are definitely different levels of lucidity though.