Thread: Practical Application of LD upon Waking Life

Bah internet broke and had to rewrite this. I apologize if i made any silly mistakes, I'm tired.

Anyway I was thinking about practical applications for LD outside of the normally discussed spectrum.

Basic Idea: Condition yourself whilst in a dream to respond to a certain action with an emotional response, then after several repetitions it should in theory work whilst awake.

Support: Pavlov conditioned dogs to salivate when he rang a bell. (google it for more info)
Stephen LaBerge showed that dream orgasms had real physical effects- so emotions use same bits of brain as when awake
Hypnosis - reentering trances multiple times makes it easier to get 'deeper'.


Expanded Idea: First we must choose an emotion or experience that we want to try and have available to use at any time. I think a familiar state would be easiest first such as ' happy,drunk' but this could with practice possibly be extended to such things as 'intense feelings of bliss,tripping,orgasm'.


Anyway now we have to choose a trigger, i would suggest rubbing the bit of skin between your index finger and thumb. You want something that your not going to do accidentally and in a spot you can consistently hit.
Next we need to associate the trigger with the experience, so in the LD you will believe that rubbing that spot will make you instantly feel drunk. It's worth nothing you want to code a off trigger on the other hand or a different part of your hand. Having the off trigger will allow the next step to be done faster.
You now want to use your trigger to get 'drunk' in the dream, then baseline, then drunk, baseline,dru...


After many repetitions your brain should have developed the neural connections so that when you touch the trigger you will feel drunk regardless of dream or not.

I'm almost certain this will work, how many repetitions are needed? I don't know this unfortunately but i dug this up in regards to learning skills.
'2,400... That's how many repetitions it takes for a movement to become instinctual (according to experts who worked with the British SAS to determine how much training they needed in certain combat techniques).'

I would try this myself but im not having LD's frequently enough to try things like this and they are still rather new so I want to do novel things instead. Anyone who has many LD's should give this a shot.


Hope someone gives it a shot
Best of Luck
FlyFree

Originally Posted by FlyFree

when you touch the trigger you will feel drunk

That's so funny

To feel drunk in a dream would be difficult, changing feelings isn't easy at all.

But interesting idea.

interesting, id do 'orgasm' so i could never be bored

that makes a lot of sense actually. I too dont have a high enough LD frequency for this to work.

what if someone was so good at this they could program their emotions. all of them. or you could use it to stop yourself from feeling physical pain when you needed to.(maybe?)

that could be used as a drug free solution for people who are depressed.

Originally Posted by Banana

interesting, id do 'orgasm' so i could never be bored

+1

Originally Posted by Arutad

That's so funny

To feel drunk in a dream would be difficult, changing feelings isn't easy at all.

But interesting idea.

I feel drunk in my dreams a lot. Sometimes even in my LDs.

Originally Posted by Arutad

That's so funny

To feel drunk in a dream would be difficult, changing feelings isn't easy at all.

But interesting idea.

Originally Posted by John11

I feel drunk in my dreams a lot. Sometimes even in my LDs.

But how would you do it on purpose, using just your mind to trigger this feeling in a LD? That's what the topic starter is suggesting!

So we do something in a LD, then somehow make it work in waking life?

It actually makes a lot of sense, as long as the response in physically possible (without the use of aid) then this might actually work.
You should devise an experiment with volunteers. It would be interesting to see the results

I can also see how it could help someone that has a particular problem. For example, if you have confidence issues with speaking in public you could use this to your advantage. You can give yourself confidence and the feeling of power through LD and trigger it in waking life.
Also I could also see how this could help people with Phobias.

This is a great idea ! =]

Originally Posted by mrdeano

You should devise an experiment with volunteers. It would be interesting to see the results

You'd have to wait a long time, 2,400 repetitions are needed in FlyFree's opinion. Where would you even get volunteers to have 2,400 LDs just for one single purpose...

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Bah internet broke and had to rewrite this. I apologize if i made any silly mistakes, I'm tired.

Anyway I was thinking about practical applications for LD outside of the normally discussed spectrum.

Basic Idea: Condition yourself whilst in a dream to respond to a certain action with an emotional response, then after several repetitions it should in theory work whilst awake.

Support: Pavlov conditioned dogs to salivate when he rang a bell. (google it for more info)
Stephen LaBerge showed that dream orgasms had real physical effects- so emotions use same bits of brain as when awake
Hypnosis - reentering trances multiple times makes it easier to get 'deeper'.


Expanded Idea: First we must choose an emotion or experience that we want to try and have available to use at any time. I think a familiar state would be easiest first such as ' happy,drunk' but this could with practice possibly be extended to such things as 'intense feelings of bliss,tripping,orgasm'.


Hope someone gives it a shot
Best of Luck
FlyFree

I do this all the time and have since I was a little kid. That's how I reherse for everything.

"Basic Idea: Condition yourself whilst in a dream to respond to a certain action with an emotional response, then after several repetitions it should in theory work whilst awake."

It works for everything from learning new yoga moves to preparing for a lecture. It's great for overcoming fears.

Originally Posted by cdde323

That's like handing me a crossword puzzle. I warn you, I'm good at being a pessimist, over analyzing and nit picking =D

I appreciate your thoughts. I don't think discussing it is going to get us any further though. I feel we will go round in circles as I still think that its possible to condition a response. I do think what your saying holds truth however, it's just I've seen how strongly certain responses get conditioned in day to day life.

Well when I get to the level where I can try this ill bump this topic after trying


Would be good if someone would consider trying this though.

FlyFree

Originally Posted by FlyFree

I appreciate your thoughts. I don't think discussing it is going to get us any further though.

Fair enough, agree to disagree.

Not trying to turn the tides against you, just stating my opinion. Please do update the thread though... It's an interesting topic.

Outside of being "drunk" at will, I do think your idea has merit with things that can be supplied naturally by the body. Perhaps the feeling of being happy and the feelings of being sad... Psychologist have been able to activate these feelings through hypnosis and people have the ability to take a deep breath, step back from a situation and clear their mind... this alone will cause a feeling of relief and happiness. So maybe something along these lines... I don't know. Sorry, I'll shut up now.

Keep us updated!

Originally Posted by cdde323

Not trying to turn the tides against you, just stating my opinion. Please do update the thread though... It's an interesting topic.

Thats not a problem. It was an interesting discussion. I just don't feel we gonna get much more out of it. I'll update it when I get to the level of trying it - which will be a while.

Have fun and thanks again