is everything seen in a lucid dream???

[acillis]

hello when i try and explain my supernatual experiences to people, they are quick to say, that im not experienceing anything supernatual or paranormal, what im experienceing is sleep paralysis..... dont get me wrong i have experienced a few different forms of sleep paralysis so i know what to look for. what i wanted to ask some people today, if you believe everything you see in a lucid dream is considered hypnagogic and hypnopompic??? normally these are seen or experienced when you are actually in the sleep paralysis state, not when your in fact dreaming consciously. but when i tell people my experiences they blame it on sleep paralysis, when in fact i was not in the stage of sleep paralysis but full blown lucid.... im curious what your thoughts are thanks.

[skysaw]

There is nothing supernatural at all about lucid dreaming. Framing it that way is likely turn people off, and have them disbelieve your experiences. While there are similarities between a fully lucid dream and the imagery conjured up in a half-wakened state, and one can transform into the other, they are very different animals indeed.

[Conquer]

There is nothing supernatural at all about lucid dreaming. Framing it that way is likely turn people off, and have them disbelieve your experiences. Yes! Thank you! I agree 100%. Frankly, I'm also 100% sick of theories from the beyond dreaming section.

[drewmandan]

Yes! Thank you! I agree 100%. Frankly, I'm also 100% sick of theories from the beyond dreaming section. Agreed. Because of those nuts, lucid dreaming has gotten a bad rap. Perhaps if more people took it seriously, we would have a lot more serious science being done on it, and perhaps more scientifically tested induction techniques. But instead we have just one serious scientist (LaBerge) and I can't even talk to my friends about it without them going "okay...".

[Conquer]

I know what you mean. Kinda leads to my next topic here.

[acillis]

there not nuts, big deal if they believe differently then you i actually used to believe all lucid dreamers were actually nice people, but this isnt true im discovering

[Oneironaut Zero]

I'm not quite sure I follow you. What are the "supernatural experiences" that you say you're having? Are you having them as you're falling asleep, or when you're well within the dream state. If it's happening as you're just laying down for bed, or in the early mornings, it's more than likely either hypnogogia or hypnopompia. And sometimes the body doesn't always run like clockwork. Sleep phases and symptoms cross. Sometimes you'll be fully awake, but still seeing dream visualizations (happens to me every now and then). So you can't really discount something only because it's not what normally happens.

[drewmandan]

If you're telling people that you're being visited by aliens or demons when you go to bed, then you deserve the reactions you get.

[Bonsay]

Sometimes you feel the effects of sleep paralysis in the dream state, whether it's because you're slowly waking up or some random dream phenomenon. Also note that you're always in a state of Sleep Paralysis (when dreaming). Unless you're a bit strange which would make the whole dreaming experience dangerous. For now I agree with your friends. Supernatural things like witches and a succubus are usually in relation with SP.

[acillis]

Oneironaut i havnt had what i would call a real bad sleep paralysis episode my encounters take place well into the dreaming stage <what makes me lucid half the time> i havnt had any alien experiences unless you count shadow beings as aliens, which i do not. i very much doubt the shadow beings i have encountered are caused from sleep paralysis since i only encounter them while in the dreaming stage and lucid. if i ever did have a bad sleep paralysis episode it was this-- i awoke and could not move, but i could see the whole room, i was about to will my self out of my body, when i heard evil laughter which made me stay put. but some dude in a black trench coat was somehow standing beside me and sticking his hand inside of body playing with my organs, which really hurt to be honest. whats funny about this, i had the same thing happened a few times, always the same man trying to play with my organs, its simply crazy let me tell ya! but to be honest, im not counting that as a supernatural experience im only counting experiences while i am in fact either dreaming or lucid its very easy for a person to say this or that. but be honest people if you never encountered a shadow being, dont be quick to say its caused from this or dat. people i know who have encountered them, believe in the encounter they had because mainly of the energy felt. they dont beleive its caused by sleep paralysis........ ................... to the person who said that even in dreams we are under sleep paralysis. yeah but your not aware of the degree of it:

[DuB]

So let me get this straight... you had a dream about meeting "shadow beings" and you believe this means that it really happened?