Thread: DreamViews: Lucid Dream Book Project - Want in?

Firstly, thank you for expressing your concerns spaceexplorer. Through your questions, I hope to clear up a few things you (and others viewing) may be thinking.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Ok, I don't like being negative but,

Won't this project basically:

Stop the writers from posting their best ideas on the dreamviews (free) forum,
and then charge us all for buying it?

No. The information that we DO use from this site will have the permission of the author before it's included into the book. The book will NOT be a copy/paste of information on Dreamviews. There will be extensive research (via our research department) that will largely included in the book. And the techniques posted in our forum (The lucid dream book project forum) have the authors expressed permission for our use. Don't forget, although the internet is very populated and has a lot of free information...there's also milions of book stores and users on Amazon.com with a large populace of people seeking books as well. Lucid dreaming is still a fairly new concept to mainstream society and that's another purpose of this book, to chip at the wall a bit more. The last great book on lucid dreaming (and probably the most notable one) was Stephen Laberge's book. It's a great book but also greatly outdated. That's why we're releasing more information to an audience of people (who may or may not use the internet to access information) outside of the internet.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

And who gets the money?
The web design company who own the site?

The internet is such a handy tool for freely sharing ideas on the subject,
who exactly gains from putting what could easily be shared for free online, and then selling it?

The project is still much too in its infant stages to begin serious talks about who'll be pocketing royalty checks. However, - I and a few others are slightly fond of the idea of donating a portion of the money to charity or lucid dreaming research programs. I would however like to emphasize the first sentence in this paragraph though.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Seems to me it would involve a lot of dead trees, a bunch of ideas written in a format that can't be discussed or develop, expense for those who want to read the book (rather than the free sharing of ideas online) etc. etc.

Oh come now. This is hardly worth replying to, and I say that with utmost resect. By this logic alone, every book store in the world is committing heinous crimes by harboring such nature killer's.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Personally, I think anyone who is interested in getting involved, should seriously ask themselves... who is going to gain from this?

The reader. That's who. You seem too overly concerned about the proceeds from this, which warrants a brow raise. Next question.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

If you're just looking to boost your ego, and don't care about selling out your ideas and time earning money for other people... go for it.
If on the other hand you enjoy the free sharing of ideas for the sake of sharing information freely online with others - then just post in the forum

surely?

Once again, the internet is just one market. We're not out to stroke anyone's ego's except that of the topic of Lucid dreaming. That's what we're seeking to glorify. The forum is still up for use and if you (which I doubt you do) have any information on this board that we'd like to use, you will be asked beforehand and credit will be given where credit is due.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

What are the chances my post vanishes?

What this also makes me think is:

For all of us who post on dreamview, and also the authors of original methods like MILD by laberge....

Are these people (us!) going to be consulted about information we have freely shared on this forum, if it used in the book, reworded or otherwise (or in the case of the experts are probably copywrite)?

Is the book going to have to rename methods like WILD and MILD?
Because these are staples to the lucid dreaming community and are the intellectual property of the creator of the methods.
Not to mention the many many other techniques out there by independant authors.

The idea of appealing to people egos as "wanna be writers"
to get them to work for free, for the financial and promotional gain of the owners of this website, is to me quite vile.

I for one will make a formal request that every post i have made on this forum be removed if this project goes ahead. I will also actively make sure that the authors of any well known lucid dreaming methods or concepts mentioned in the book are aware of their intellectual property being used without their consent.

It is one thing to share information freely and in a discussion forum on the internet. It is an altogether different thing to use the years of many, many peoples freely given time posting, to make profit for others.

If i had known that a project like this was on the horizon, I would never have given my time to DreamViews. I feel it is an abuse of the trust of people who use this forum.

And if the argument is "only the writers ideas and opinions will be expressed in the book" then, what on earth is the point of it?

Without methods like MILD, WILD, WBTB etc. etc.
and the many freely shared ideas that have been expressed on this forum over the years, what information is the book going to contain?

The whole thing is going to be a legal minefield once people start noticing their ideas being published as someone elses work in a charged for book.

The legitimate non-paranoid and rational questions within this post have largely been answered in my first replies.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Could a moderator or site owner, please explain to me the process I would need to go through to remove all my previous posts from this forum?
I know it's possible, having experience in web design, forum hosting and IT myself. This is a serious question as I may need to request this in the near future.

It's possible but that won't happen. And frankly speaking, I think you are crying wolf in a land with no animals present at all. Should you have any rational, and legitimate questions that I have not already answered, you are more than welcome to post again or PM me.

Edit: And should we (the staff) decide to personally profit from this project...the staff will all equally be compensated as well as those whose techniques we have used.