Thread: Do your control your dreams? Or do your dreams still control you?

The dream doesn't restrict you.

You restrict yourself.

Ego, desire, lust, all constantly affect you. This is no different in a dream, except for the fact that in a dream your actions have no effect in the long run so you can ignore societal rules.

I wouldn't say dreams have restrictions as much as the dream simply bring attention to restrictions that are always there.

I think the philosophy forum exists for a reason.

Originally Posted by Licity

The dream doesn't restrict you.

You restrict yourself.

Ego, desire, lust, all constantly affect you. This is no different in a dream, except for the fact that in a dream your actions have no effect in the long run so you can ignore societal rules.

I wouldn't say dreams have restrictions as much as the dream simply bring attention to restrictions that are always there.

Yes they do affect you. But I come to realization that trying to induce a lucid dream creates more problems and expectations. What if you don't get the lucid dream through the normal means that you had. What if it fails? Without control people feel uneasy. Lucid dream is another form of control in the sense that if it goes but struggle and become miserable to bring it back. Lucid dreams require effort.

There is a way to be conscious in your dreams without effort. It isn't the same as lucid dreams. It is sort of complicated but by "just being" you allow the dream to naturally occur. This doesn't mean inaction necessarily but rather everything just is and is done through direct experience. At first lucid dreams do free as it is something new. But the struggle to maintain that freedom becomes a real burden. Lucid dreams over complicates dreaming later because their is an end or goal. It isn't about the enjoyment of the lucid dream but rather wanting for more--at least that have been my experiences of it.

If you have to work for freedom doesn't that in and of it sense become an enslavement?

Originally Posted by ZenMan12

Yes they do affect you. But I come to realization that trying to induce a lucid dream creates more problems and expectations. What if you don't get the lucid dream through the normal means that you had. What if it fails? Without control people feel uneasy. Lucid dream is another form of control in the sense that if it goes but struggle and become miserable to bring it back. Lucid dreams require effort.

There is a way to be conscious in your dreams without effort. It isn't the same as lucid dreams. It is sort of complicated but by "just being" you allow the dream to naturally occur. This doesn't mean inaction necessarily but rather everything just is and is done through direct experience. At first lucid dreams do free as it is something new. But the struggle to maintain that freedom becomes a real burden. Lucid dreams over complicates dreaming later because their is an end or goal. It isn't about the enjoyment of the lucid dream but rather wanting for more--at least that have been my experiences of it.

If you have to work for freedom doesn't that in and of it sense become an enslavement?

So you're basically saying that having to work for the freedom of lucid dreaming means that it's not really freedom, so you become free by just having normal dreams. Wow, I've never seen an excuse for being too lazy to lucid dream covered in so much "zen" bullshit.

And you call me enslaved because I'm willing to work for something. Sorry buddy, but some things in life take effort. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by DarkLucideity

So you're basically saying that working for the freedom of lucid dreaming means that it's not really freedom, so you become free by just having normal dreams. Wow, I've never seen an excuse for being too lazy to lucid dream covered in so much "zen" bullshit.

And you call me enslaved because I'm willing to work for something. Sorry buddy, but some things in life take effort. Deal with it.

yeah this is our generation(not sure how old you guys are). lllllllaaaaazzzzzyyyyy

Damn,

I really don't know where to begin this post.. Like, I read every single of the OP's post, and still, I am as confused as ever.. Can some one here, with some common sense please explain to me what this zenTARD person is saying-- I would like to say a few things, but I want to get the story straight first...

Thanks

Spiritofthewolf

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

Damn,

I really don't know where to begin this post.. Like, I read every single of the OP's post, and still, I am as confused as ever.. Can some one here, with some common sense please explain to me what this zenTARD person is saying-- I would like to say a few things, but I want to get the story straight first...

Thanks

Spiritofthewolf

Originally Posted by DarkLucideity

So you're basically saying that having to work for the freedom of lucid dreaming means that it's not really freedom, so you become free by just having normal dreams.

That's what I got out of it.

I'm still going to wait for a description of what he was truly trying to get at.. Because I feel like I am gonna have a good thing to say afterwards