Thread: In Deep Meditation

It does not really sound like an LD. You might have been I a trance. I some culture people would "pull themself into themselves" and doing so could cause euphoria, apathey, or in some rare casue a vision. I am not an expert but it does not sound like an LD to me. I does sound really cool though.

I know what you mean. I've reached a semi-dream state in meditation before (that's actually usually my goal), and it is sort of lucid. you can control it like a regular lucid, but it's REALLY easy to wake yourself up. I would call it more of a daydream than a real dream.

It does feel really nice though, kinda like floating in a cloud and watching yourself drift through a dream-like scene. Something to try, if you ever reach that point again, is to consciously ask youself a question while maintaining that state. Your subconscious throws back a bizzar answer and then sends you back into full consciousness. For example, I had reached that semi-dream state and I asked myself what the meaning of life was, and this answer just popped into my head: look in the curve of the bridge.

Anybody who can tell me what the hell that's supposed to mean get 100 extra points.

I did it again this evening. I guess all you really need is time and a good enviornment for this to actually work. It wasn't as powerful as the last one but was still pretty interesting. I imagined that I was flying and felt my body actually lefting off my bed. It didn't left itself physically but in my mind my body felt as if I was floatiing in air. I let all things go and then somehow entered into some type of dream land where it was possible to fly. I wouldn't count it as a LD either but it is definatly an experience worth your time. I'm going to try doing it again before sleep and see if it effects my dreaming in anyway.

The curve in the bridge could mean several things. Perhaps the curve siginals the ups and downs of life. Perhaps the bridge in itself would serve as a testiment that without a curve or a steep the bridge would not be able to stand. Without curves in our lives life wouldn't worth living and we would never progress as human beings.

I often have this in very low or tired states of conciousness and recently I've obtained this through meditation. What happens for me is I'm just daydreaming with a picture in the mind. But then the picture become more real than just normal visualizations. It envelops my mind and almost enter the world. It's hard to remember stuff from this state. My brain thinks up a lot of stuff matching random things together. Random questions and patterns answered. I recently did with a video game. Visualizing super smash brothers I got inside it and it was like watching a T.V. or being in the SSB arena. My brain just played out the scenes. It's easy to do if your really tired but you keep getting woken up by something or can't fully go to sleep.

its possible Rahul!

i didn't it before bed last night. It didn't really effect my sleep in any way. I didn't even remember my dream last night. They usually take place in a open field with a lot of hills and lakes.

Please read the following online books by SAri Ram Sharma Acharya:

sleep dreams and spiritual reflections :
http://www.awgp.org/english/books/sleep_dreams.pdf

The Extrasensory potentials of mind :
http://www.awgp.org/english/books/extra_potentials.pdf

Vipul..

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Please read the following online books by SAri Ram Sharma Acharya:

sleep dreams and spiritual reflections :
http://www.awgp.org/english/books/sleep_dreams.pdf

The Extrasensory potentials of mind :
]http://www.awgp.org/english/books/extra_po...als.pdf
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I thought this would be a good place to post this relaxation technique.

1. 61 point relaxation tecnique = Study this figure This figure illustrates 61 points on the body. To do this exercise, you need to memorize the sequence of points. (This is not difficult, because the points are arranged in a simple pattern) They begin at the forehead, travel down and up your right arm, then across to your left arm, down to your torso, down and up your right legs, then back up your torso to the forehead.

2. Focus your attention on one point at a time
Begin at your forehead, focus your attention between your eyebrows and think of the number one. Keep your attention fixed at point one for several seconds until you feel that your awareness of the location is clear and distinct. Think of yourself being located at this point. Before moving on to the next point, you should feel a sense of warmth and heaviness at this spot.

3. Move through each point in sequence
In the same manner, succesively focus your attention on each of the first thrity-one points. Proceed slowly, and imagine you self being located at each point as you reach it. Feel the sense of warmth and heaviness before moving on. Do not allow your mind to wander. At first you may find this difficult to do: you will find that at times you suddenly will forget that you are doing the exercise and start daydreaming or thinking about somthing else. IF you lose your place, return to the beginning or the last numbered point you attended to, and continue. Practice with thirty-one points until you can attendto them all in sequence without daydreaming or losing track.

4.Extend your practice to include all sixty-one points
When you can attend to thity -one points in sequence, repeat steps 1 and 2 with all sixty-one points. Practice this until you can do all points without losing your focus. Now you are ready to use this exercise with lucid dreaming induction techniques.

YAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNN oh man that was a good, uhh, 8 month sleep, man I feel rested lol
hey again Howezter whatup man!

to be on topic, I'm getting interested in this too but I have a very severe problem, I can't imagine anything with my eyes closed, I do indeedly no that I am in fact just repressing my imagination on a subconscious level and I can change it. But as to how is the hard part, I'm going to start doing 2 hour sessions every day where I deprive my visual sense of any input(blindfold myself), does anyone know if this will work?

i was just about to post a topic of dreaming while meditating too, but i saw this one first :)

i started doing this w/my orion pretty consistently ever since i decided to use it on my lunch break. it's a trip. it's JUST LIKE A DREAM. i don't know if i'm daydreaming, or if it's really dreaming or what...

i'm working on trying to become lucid. actually on christmas, i did become some what lucid. i was writing my name on the desk... but it didn't look like my hand writing... looked really sloppy, like if when i was in the 2nd grade trying to learn how to write in cursive. when i'm done w/my session, it feels like i've been asleep for hours, and i'm completly disorientated. today, when i finished my session, i had ask my self where was i (i was dreaming, and the dream faded away when the proteus session ended -so i was confused) then i realized i was in my car. i started up the motor, and i if i didn't see the clock and realize it was my lunch break, i would have went home. seriously... i started the car w/the intention of going home i forgot i was at work. now i realize how short rem cycles really are. because these dreams i'm having while i'm meditating are pretty long sequences like my regular dreams at home... but at work, i'm going through 2, 3, or 4 of these seemingly long sequences in the span of 20min. it's pretty cool. something exactly like this has never happened to me before i started using my orion again (proteus now) -it was pretty rare when something exiting happened while meditating on my own.

thats really interesting lurker,
but what is an orion?

orion

i've had this one since the mid-late '90's. it's only been recently that i've been really working it w/the orion. great results so far. -wish i had known what i know now, and started back then, instead of now...

this puppy, proteus i just recieved on christmas eve. blows the orion away. if you can afford one, i totally recommend it. the colors you can see w/these lens, the sounds... much more psychedelic experience. the visuals alone... my lord. i don't know if you have ever smoked mj... but if you have, and had closed your eyes while listening to music -then you have an idea of what the visuals you will have w/the proteus. not quite as vivid and wild as mj, but close enough :) :) :)

i have yet to make my own programs for it (like bwgen, but bwgen is more powerful). but i'm just going thru all the presets and tripping out on them. :) i'm gonna order the amber/blue lens when i get a chance.

Originally posted by Prometheus
YAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNN oh man that was a good, uhh, 8 month sleep, man I feel rested lol
hey again Howezter whatup man!

to be on topic, I'm getting interested in this too but I have a very severe problem, I can't imagine anything with my eyes closed, I do indeedly no that I am in fact just repressing my imagination on a subconscious level and I can change it. *But as to how is the hard part, I'm going to start doing 2 hour sessions every day where I deprive my visual sense of any input(blindfold myself), does anyone know if this will work?

Ya Prometheus, That was quite a vacation

I think one of the concepts is to be totally relaxed so to get the effect of imagery without trying to actually make a scene. Once you are in the correct state of mind images should apear like that of hypnogogic images
Could that be the problem?

Meditation and Sleep
Pehaps their truly is no difference

there isn't Rahul
I knew someone that didn't sleep at all, he just meditated, ergo he was conscious 24/7

Originally posted by Rahul
Meditation and Sleep
Pehaps their truly is no difference

actually, there is. meditation is not a replacement for sleep. i don't remember if i read it online, or in a book... i will have to look.

plus, i know this myself. i just went through a pretty hardcore insomniac phase, in late nov until a few days before x-mas. meditation did absolutely nothing to replace the sleep i was missing.

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Meditation and Sleep
Pehaps their truly is no difference

actually, there is. meditation is not a replacement for sleep. i don't remember if i read it online, or in a book... i will have to look.

plus, i know this myself. i just went through a pretty hardcore insomniac phase, in late nov until a few days before x-mas. meditation did absolutely nothing to replace the sleep i was missing.[/b]

Meditation in itself has many different stages. You can purposely lose all feelings and tensions while slipping into a subconsious state. During this you are to let your mind flow just as if it were falling softly asleep. When your mind settles on one specific thing while still being free of all concentration and tension the possibilitys are endless. At this stage you lose all awareness of reality but are still able to have complete control over your "dream". This is the best way I can explain it. Would you call this being lucid?Meditation and sleep are both refreshing and rejuvenating. Insomnia can be caused by many things. For me it was depression so I was put on a pill which left me even more tired when I woke up in the morning. I was tired of my life and still haunted and sad by the past so I had to do something to keep my mind busy. I went into martial arts which made life a whole lot better. I later threw out the pill and was able to sleep like a baby. I found that when I kept my mind busy I was also able to meditate better. When meditating I found that I could go far long periods with out sleeping and still be fully counsious and well rested.

As Ruhal said, there are many different forms of meditation and the goal is to get into a dream like state, when you are in that state it is just like being in REM sleep and dreaming, except your always conscious no matter what. I guess the friend I had that did 2 hours of deep meditation per day and was up 22 hours a day was just an illusion lol.

i found this quote on a site... it's NOT the original source i saw. but it touches on the things i read, like things in common, and differences in brainwave patterns and such. actually the source specifically said that meditation and sleep are two different things, and one does not replace the other.

eventhough i was meditating several times a day, i spent (99%) most of my insomniac phase sick, tired, moody (urge to kill, rising), had trouble understanding english, had problems speaking -poor grammar, wrong words... horrible concentration. w/meditation, my body felt somewhat rested, my mind felt hyped up for a while, but that faded away pretty quick. i still firmly belive that meditation does not replace sleep. -_- ...zzzZZZZzzzzzz...


from http://ajayan.com/faq.htm

It is true that meditation has been shown to slow the metabolic rate to a point much deeper than even the deepest point of deep sleep. This profound rest and relaxation is wonderfully rejuvenating and restorative. Yet, it is not precisely the same quality of rest provided by the sleep and dream cycles.
* * In meditation, though restful, one is also ordinarily completely alert. Further, the brainwave activity during meditation varies from either sleep or dreaming patterns. In a word, meditation and sleep are different states of consciousness; they serve different functions. Sleep cannot provide the benefits of meditation, meditation does not really replace sleep. *
* * Nevertheless, over time, as meditation purifies, refines, and optimizes the functioning of the entire mind/body complex, one is likely to require less and less sleep. Many long-term meditators find that this happens naturally, as body and mind gain energy and function more and more efficiently.
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you have fun blindly believing what books say, I'll be gaining knowledge with my own senses and experience

Meditation has levels that are linked to brainwaves.
Most average talented ppl dont get furter then alpha and a bit theta.
Only really talented ppl are able to get into delta waves when they practice meditation.
Then u also have high and low delta waves.
The low region is from o.5 to 2 hz.
Thats the region where also deep sleep is at where mainly your brainstem is still active.
If u can get to that level of meditation it could replace deep sleep.
I can do it from my own trance meditation, but then my eyes are closed and i lay down,
so to another lol it would look like sleep anyway.


But some yogi are able to do that sitting or in any body pose.

That is freakin amazing!!!

I practice meditation myself but i didnt know it was that complicated. I would just sit in an upright but comfortable position and i would consintrate on one thing and relax. I had no idea there was so much more to it.

I am a really happy camper!!! Thank's be to whoever started this thread!!! and thanks be to you Lucid Apple!

Vox