Induce Lucidity With Salvia Tea & Incense

[donjuandominguez]

Has anyone here tried Salvia? Salvia is a plant used by The Maazteca Shamans here in Mexico for centuries to induce astral travel, lucid dreaming and other mystical states of consciousness. If you smoke salvia you will pop right out of your body. In fact, smoking it is too intense. I don't recommend smoking it because you pop out of your body so fast that it can be very frightening. The peak experience is also too short to get any substantial lucid experience from when smoked. The shamans would make a tea out of salvia leaves or roll leaves into quids they could chew on for hours. Using quids or tea produces an incredible interdimensional experience. The effects are felt in 10-15 minutes and the peak occurs around 20-30 minutes. The peak lasts for 30-45 minutes and this peak experience is when you can become fully lucid. So imagine being fully lucid for 30-45 minutes and being able to control the experience. It can seem like hours or days because you do not experience time in the dream world. If anyone tries salvia, I suggest getting it directly from the source....nature. There are alot of companies selling extracts online but you never know what is in the extracts. Most are made with grain alcohol and nobody regulates the processes they use to make it. You can make tea out of the leaves and drink it and lay down and get fully lucid. Some people complain about chewing the leaves because as you begin to get lucid you can start drooling on yourself or even choking and it interrupts the experience and makes you wake up. Salvia incense works very well too. To make salvia incense you roll enough leaves together to make a smudge stick the same size as sage. You go into a closed room and burn the smudge stick so the smoke is so thick you can barely see. Then you lay down and breathing in the smoke naturally will induce lucidity gradually. Juan

[Rev. Pastora]

Salvia is about the only mind altering I do any more. I usually smoke it. Granted, the experience is short, but if I go into it with a clear question in mind, I can usually come out of it with an answer. I can't see where the incense would be very effective, to be honest. Salvinorin burns at a very high temperature. Matches won't provide an adequate dose smoking. A regular lighter has to remain lit through the entire draw to be effective. Normally you use a butane torch lighter. My understanding of the quid was that the salvinorin should be absorbed sublingually, and you removed it after 20 minutes, or when you started feel it. I thought it would take too long to get it in your system ingesting it in tea. You can combine smoking intensity with sublingual duration by smoking just prior to the sublingual peak. I make my own extracts, usually between 5-7x. I use around 1/8 of a teaspoon of extract on top of a bowl of plain leaf. Most of the time, I'm there before I let out the second hit. It's fairly simple to make. The trick with salvia is that you need to get your entire dose before it starts coming on, and it comes on fast. It's not always easy with plain leaf. Salvia is very intense. Personally, I don't reccomend it lightly. If you're going to try it, I'd suggest www.sagewisdom.org for some safety tips. If you're not familiar with psychedelics, salvia is not the place to start. Even if you are, salvia is frighteningly intense the first time you get a good dose smoking.

[donjuandominguez]

I agree the smoking it is too much. You may want to try making some tea. With both tea and incense the intense peak experienced during smoking is equally intense if not more but you have 15-30 minutes to gradually ease into the peak. This way you can acclimate to the experience without being frightened. You can even direct the experience and remain totally lucid.

[Rev. Pastora]

My extracts are strictly for smoking because I use acetone, but you can use everclear (or any high octane flammable drinking alcohol) & make a sublingual extract. You have to be really careful with the dosage because it takes such a tiny amount of refined salvinorin to do the big job. Best to extract single doses for oral. The upside is there isn't anything leafy to choke on, or any 'juice' to stain things. (you can also make a quid in a tea bag or the like to help keep from choking/swallowing stuff) Smoking only frightened me the first couple times. No matter how much you read about the wormhole & the entities, it doesn't prepare you for how real it is the first time you go through & they start talking to you. I usually feel like I 'just missed it' if I use salvia sublingually without the smoking booster shot. There is a lot you can learn in salvia space, if it's your type of thing. If it isn't, it can scare you like nothing else could.

[Prometheus]

Wow what great luck you guys mentioned Salvia and you are experienced with it PWN! Let me lay it out to ya, I've gotten intensely interested in spirituality and deep meditation, cool! right? well, I can't imagine anything, like when I close my eyes I can't see anything for the life of me, I know why too, to make a long story short from the suggestions of my parents as a very young child I ruthlessly suppressed my imagination and basically screamed at my own mind to leave me alone, haha I did a good job. and I am where I am today, I would give my left and right arm to be able to visualize things, the closest thing I have come to a mystical experience is lucid dreams and for that reason I am part of this message board and student lucid dreamer. OK, now to Salvia, I know you can reach the same mystical realm through deep meditation as you do in lucid dreams, but during my waking hours my imagination is, well, dead, I've tried salvia once on the bottom of my tongue with an extract, very high dose, I felt like I was going to leave my body but it never happened and I never got a single closed eye image, I've heard that you have to take it a bunch of times before you get the full effects, should I just keep trying? btw I'm going to do it the traditional way with quids next time, cause pure grain alcohol in mouth is not fun and I will NOT smoke anything(I love my lungs!) anyway any advice from experienced people would be welcome, I just want to explore the mystical realms of my own imagination, is that too much to ask?

[Rev. Pastora]

If you really are interested in salvia, feel free to PM/IM me any questions, but like I said, I don't go reccomending it lightly. Without going into too much detail, my experience with all manner of psychedelics is vast and totals in decades. The first time I got salvia right, it shook me up good. If you need something to show you for damn sure that there's 'more to it', salvia is the right tool for the job. As far as my experience goes, no amount of sublingual absorption will do the job smoking it will. You can get 20 or 25x extracts (I can refer you to reputable online sources) that will do the trick with such a small amount (1 tiny hit) that you can't tell you're smoking anything. You would probably do more damage to your lungs standing on the side of a busy road. Sagewisdom is the most responsible source of information on the subject I've come across. Don't go into salvia space unprepared.

[Human #213-651-789]

I would recommend that people at least become familiar with the mushroom experience before delving into Salvia. Smoking Salvia propels you into a parallel dimension in less than a minute, while the mushroom experience can be eased into. The user can then become more and more accustomed to alternate realities. Trust me, it's not all fun and games...personally, I think there's a lot more to a halluncinogenic experience than "dreaming while awake", but since that's the premise of this thread, consider this: When you're dreaming, even non-lucid, and have a nightmare, you wake up when the stress level gets too high. If you enter a nightmare, or bad trip, after ingesting a hallucinogen, you stay there until the effects wear off, and it can last an eternity. That being said, Salvia is a very worthwhile pursuit, and will teach you things beyond your wildest dreams. Just don't dive into the ocean before learning how to swim.

[sleep_long_sleep_well]

I find the salvia experience to be incredibly similar to dreaming. Anyone ever had a character in a dream that represents 2 different people, or perhaps one that keeps "shifting" between two people? I've seen it happen to REAL people when we were smoking salvia. Rev. Pastora, I've grown salvia a few times. I plan to grow more this summer, could you explain to me in a pm how to make the extract? I'd pm you but I don't know how. About lucid dreaming and salvia, I've never tried the tea or quids, but I once tried smoking it in the morning and then going back to sleep. I wasn't high long enough to go into a lucid dream but I had crazy detailed hypnagogic imagery or whatever it's called. I also felt those "vibrations" people talk about when your crossing over from waking to dreaming. My dreams when I fell asleep were not lucid but very abstract and imaginative. It's an amazing experience, but I agree with whoever said it before, don't go there unprepared.

[wer]

*Sigh* I checked out some stores about it, I don't think its worth the money, I'll just dream and astral project the hard way lol.

[psychonaut]

Originally posted by Human #213-651-789 I would recommend that people at least become familiar with the mushroom experience before delving into Salvia. ahhh you are forgetting how powerful mushrooms can be. i would start with potent weed, then when you're accustomed to that take mushrooms. then once you're accomstomed to that take Salvia. i want to try Salvia very soon.

[Rev. Pastora]

The only experience that remotely resembled salvia for me was DMT. It was still legal when I smoked DMT, so you can imagine what the commercially prepared quality was. Aside from that, NO psychedelic remotely compares to a solid smoke at the salvia pipe. Don't delude yourself into thinking salvia isn't scary intense the first time out the gate, no matter what you're familiar with. I don't know of any psychedelics I haven't tried. This is experience talking, hoping to spare you some grief. Believe all the warnings when you research salvia on line. Salvia oral doesn't even really prepare you for the smoking intensity. www.sagewisdom.org Can't say it enough. First time user guide. As far as I know, nobody has ever overdosed on salvia. As far as I know, everybody's first reaction is HOLY SHIT. Most people never want to see it again after they smoke it correctly.

[psychonaut]

I also ordered salvia 10x, I'm going to smoke it, but can i also make a tea out of it?

[Rev. Pastora]

Sublingual is the way to use it, not tea. You want the active ingredient absorbed under your tongue. Because of the inefficiency of sublingual absorption, you would need to use 30-40 times the smoking dose recommended for the extract. Plain leaf or extract made for oral is the way to go if you don't wish to smoke it. Ordinary 10x is intended for smoking.

[l3xicon]

Smoking Salvia did very little for me, surprisingly. I tried the extract and had a miserable experience - it was like being drunk without any of the pleasant side effects and all of the negative ones. I was disappointed because I'd read about all the amazing experiences that other people have had with it.

[Rev. Pastora]

Sometimes you have to use it a few times before it takes you. You also have to smoke it a certain way, smoking it like other popular smoking materials won't provide an effective dose. It probably good that you didn't get the full effect if you found the light experience unpleasant. Most people don't like it one bit. I suspect it reminded you of being drunk because you were just out of body enough not to be able to use your body. I've found myself like that.

[Howie]

Is this salvia legal? And where would one get it if it is? Somthing to ponder: - Drugs, Vitamins and herbs

[psychonaut]

yes its legal. how do you think i "ordered" it?

[jrh7r9]

What's the best value in buying Salvia? Can you buy it from smoking accesory stores?

[Rev. Pastora]

The smartest way to go about it is to find someone who uses it, and have them guide you through it the first time or two. The amount of salvia it takes to produce effects is almost insignificant. If you were in my neighborhood, I'd offer to do it. Most people don't like it, throw it away after they see what it does, and feel they wasted their money on something that scared the hell out of them. If you're intent on trying it, start with the least expense possible. You really only need a bit. And yes, they have it in head shops. You might meet some local experienced users through there.

[jrh7r9]

I'm not afraid of exploring my deepest darkest thoughts. I just hope the damned devil doesn't offer to make me the best guitar player in the world in exchange for my soul again. That jerk never gets the point. no means no!

[Human #213-651-789]

So, I just smoked a dose of salvia leaf yesterday afternoon, which for some reason I haven't done in almost a year. I won't turn this into a trip report, but I will say that I felt GREAT. The entities were laughingly asking me what took me so long to come back to all my friends. They wanted me to remember in my daily life that they are always on my side, right there with me. Anyways, last night I had the longest LD I've ever had. When I first became lucid I was starting to fade, so I spun around until I felt dizzy enough to open my eyes. The dream continued in usual LD fashion - a few minutes of lucidity, start fading, spin around a few times, back to a few minutes of lucidity. But, after the 4th or 5th spinning routine, everything suddenly became absolutely real. I felt like I couldn't wake up if I tried, like because I kept declining every out back to the waking world, I was now going to be trapped here. Not that I was scared, I figured I'd deal with getting out of here after I got bored, which might be never. I spent almost the entire rest of the dream by myself, walking around doing reality checks. It was so real I couldn't trust the RC's until I came to a hallway full of lightswitches. The first one I hit, though, caused the light to slightly change hue, so I thought it might be a faulty bulb. The rest I quickly flicked on/off and with no lighting changes, was finally convinced. This dream felt like hours in length, with no scene changes that would cause me to assume more time went by than did. It's like I could have stayed in that dream forever if I hadn't initiated intimate relations with my gf's sister, but let's not get into that . Maybe after so many dream spinnings my body just stopped trying to wake up.

[clockwork-dreamer]

i think the only thing to warn people is that salvia is definitely an educational tool, it's not light or necessarily fun. Ska Pastora is not afraid of being cruel to be kind. that said treat it with respect and you should be okay.

[lycanvamp_dreamer]

Any one know any stores u can got to to get this stuff cause i cant order it of the internet not old enough im only 15 if any one here lives in memphis tn and could tell a place u might could get it at like some kind of health food store or something plz let me know

[Rev. Pastora]

No responsible vendor will sell it to a minor. Real health food stores won't touch salvia. Head shops sell it, and I don't know of any head shops that will let a minor through the door. Sorry. I'll use this thread to post some recent SD news, as I expect all the local salvianauts read it. South Korea has just joined Australia and Finland in making salvia, and salvinorin A, illegal. Keep it discreet, or our countries are next.

[laracroft21]

I tried Salvia years ago before I ever got into LDing, just because I did mushrooms and smoked pot back then and wanted to try something new. I read all about it and ordered some, and my friends and I smoked it. I guess we got some fake junk or something because it didn't really do anything. We smoked it out of a weed pipe and felt a little funny, like slight pot buzz for a few minutes and then it went away. It was brown dry leaves, and I think I paid about thirty dollars for a ziplock sized bag of it. Did we just get ripped off, or not smoke it right or what? I'm just curious, I don't know if I want to have the experiences you guys are talking about on here....sounds a little scary!