Thread: Is it really that importante!?

It's possible. personnatlty i think if you can remember at least 1 dream per night you can go on Lding without a Dream journal. but i recomanded you to right down your LD and analysed theme.the more you give time on LD in your waking life the better your result will be.

Here's what i do: I set an alarm at 4:30am 6:30 and 8:30am every time i woke up I tried to remember my dream since i don't write theme (take your time cuz its very easy to forget theme) and i do some mild technique everytime i go back to sleep Or i tried a WILD. Also do RC during the day

Just spending some time thinking about your dreams during the day can have similar effects--the key is to keep your dream recall strong and keep an eye on your dream signs.

well, what I do is every time I wake up from a dream I review what dreams I had, and I simulate writing them on a imaginary journal. the point is paying attention to your dreams the EXACT MOMENT you wake up, analyse them, and let them go.
If they are non-vivid, is probably that you forget them after a few days.
If they are vivid, my experience says that they very easy to remember.
If it's a lucid dream, then...I don't think you can forget this, very hard to do, but if you have doubts, then write it in another moment.

bye!

You don't necessarily need to keep a complex dream journal, though it is highly advised. Just writing down the basic concepts of each dream should serve you well enough. What Tao said should work as well, but it shouldn't be used as a substitute for a journal. Rather, it should be used to supplement your journal.

I don't think a dream journal is entirely necessary. I think it's fun to have and to look back on dreams, as well as be able to check to make sure I remember my dreams correctly, but so long as you're thinking about your dreams after dreaming them, I think that should be enough to substitute for a dream journal if you're just looking to get back into inducing lucid dreaming.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Shaelyn

I don't have time for a steady dream journal

Funny: I almost started a thred on this subject today. I stoped keeping a dream journal a long time ago because it got ridiculous, like 3 plus hours of typing a day not to mention the analysis time. I started one sense joining this forum a little over a week ago and now remember why I stoped.

I don't think its necessary but it does help. I plan to keep one for a while to give my dreams a kick in the but, then I'll probably stop again for a while.

Try jotting down just a couple of lines a day. It's more important to be consistant than it is to be thorough.

It's pretty important, but it can be done without.

oh really carmine. how many lucids have you had now?

Get on IRC fgt

*blinks*

Wut.

I don't keep a journal and still experience some lucid dreams. It can be done.

I have had lucids while not keeping a journal, but I certainly have had more while keeping a journal. The key elements for me to increase LDs are dream recall, reality checks, and adequate sleep. I really don't think that the actual actions of keeping a dream journal and doing reality checks are factors in and of themselves, but they keep dreaming at the forefront of my waking and sleeping mind. Without them, the idea of lucid dreaming would get run out by the business of life.

With limited time, you might want to try something like this:

-Use a notebook next to bed to journal key elements from dreams (just notes and phrases).

-Draw a "D" or some other meaningful letter or symbol on you hand. Every time you see it or somebody notices it, do a reality check. I currently have a "T" on my hand to remind me to do reality checks when I come in contact with any transportation (a dreamsign). I also do a reality check any time I re-notice the "T" or when somebody else notices it.

This is the time crunch plan that I have had success with. In all, the journal and reality checks take no more that 10 minutes of the day, but you will still have lucid dreaming on your mind throughout the rest.

Anyway, just me 2 cents. Good luck.

Originally Posted by JustinS

The key elements for me to increase LDs are dream recall, reality checks, and adequate sleep. I really don't think that the actual actions of keeping a dream journal and doing reality checks are factors in and of themselves, but they keep dreaming at the forefront of my waking and sleeping mind. Without them, the idea of lucid dreaming would get run out by the business of life.

With alot of emphasis on keeping dreaming at the forefront of your mind. That's a pretty damned good way of explaining it while keeping it simple, which is what you want to do anyways.

Think of it like keeping your toe in a doorway that normally automatically shuts itself when you wake up. What is inside the doorway are the memories of your dreams, and you want to keep them sort of refreshed in your head all day by letting them kind of stream out of the crack in that door.

Metaphorical I know, but it's another angle. I am personally too lazy to keep a dream journal as of late, but by constantly taking the time to think about my dreams when I wake up, and letting those memories float through my head throughout the day I keep up a "shortform" of recall and it still keeps that awareness rolling. Like above though, the more attention you place on your dreams the more you'll take control etc.

Originally Posted by Shaelyn

I want to get back into lucid dreaming but I don't have time for a steady dream journal and I was wondering if it is a necessary as everyone makes it seem. Is there anyway I can get back in the game without a dream journal for the time being?

How many dreams can you recall per night?

I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the dream journal. It is a tool to make lucid dreaming easier - A LOT easier - and to recall your dreams. Evaluating it's benefit, it actually saves time. Besides for some techniques it is indeed a requirement and finally, if you can't recall it, it didn't happen.

I presume that if you don't take the time -- no one has time actually, time has to be made available -- to keep a dream diary, you're not really taking the whole matter serious. With that kind of attitude I predict you'll be having a hard time and give up sooner or later.

The first and most important step to become a lucid dreamer is devotion. If you believe you don't have the time, then forget about it. No one becomes proficient in anything without investing time and effort.

Here's an article that shows you the importance of the dream journal (= memory and analysis aid) and gives a few hints on how to do it effectively.

I think it depends on the person.
When I kept a dream journal, some time ago, I started to get those "lucid" dreams after 16 days.
now, without a Dream journal(what I do is review my dreams with my mind) it only took me 10 days, and is much easier to record dreams, I'm also more aware and I sleep lighter.
hoho!

Originally Posted by Mariano

I think it depends on the person.

There may be a few people with a natural ability and extraordinary talent. All the others -- many of them wrongly assuming they are specially talented, too -- may admire those few, but there is nothing they can learn from them. Learn from and admire those instead, who had the biggest obstacles and managed to overcome them successfully.

I don't get it planew....

I would say of course. I have had lucid dreams for years without journaling. And it is still spotty when I do take them time to journal, it simply takes too much time to write them all down all the time. But it does help up the frequency when you are more conscious of your dreams I would think, it just makes common sense. As with anything, your perception has the ability to become your reality and habits can train the brain. Happy dreaming.

I don't always keep a journal admittedly but I think it's one of the most important things you can do. I know my dreaming ability suffers because I don't, but sometimes I just cant get motivated to do it.

The answer to not having enough time or not wanting to spend the time is to make it really simple. A few lines like someone said, just enough so when you go back through your journal there is enough of a description that you would be reminded of it.

So a few lines- 2-3 minutes of effort. As you write them things will come to you that you have forgotten. Once I get started though, I keep on trying to remember things and details I've forgotten, but if you are trying not to make a huge time commitment, just realize you don't have to remember everything and just jot down the basics.