Thread: Imagine a world where everyone knew about Lucid Dreaming..

Exactlly.
And if everyone started doing it, I would feel like I have nothing that is unique to me and everyone on dreamviews.
It would just be ruined...

well, it just sounds like your self-image is derived from your imagined membership to a secret society. if something benefits a lot of people it doesn't make sense to hoard all of it up.

Originally Posted by cygnus

well, it just sounds like your self-image is derived from your imagined membership to a secret society.

Oh please. We just prefer lucid dreaming to be something thats not so mainstream. It has nothing to do with being part of a "secret society", if thats what you definition of the Dreamviews community is.

no, DV isn't a secret society.
but if everyone decided to be emo, then the original emos wouldn't be happy.

That's ridiculous, Cygnus.
Like I said, Lucid Dreaming is just something special. It should stay that way.
Wow. I bet this thread is going to turn into a fight.

EDIT: That's sort of what we're saying, in a way. Of course the original Emos wouldn't be happy. It's something unique to them. It's the same for many Lucid dreamers, of course we wouldn't be happy if everyone started doing it.

Being emo isn't a skill. I've worked hard on recall, control, and simply getting lucid. Taking that achievement and making it something thats boring and generic - no thanks. Same way if everyone suddenly could draw the Mona Lisa, that artwork would lose its uniqueness.

I still stand on the "content of the dream", you know loaf, mona lisa may be popular, but using the logic you used, it should not be, since a lot of people draw and make it generic.
Dream content in my opinion, is much more important than just having a LD, sure thing, many people will be able to do it, how many will be able to do it the same exact way you do it?

See; that's another thing, it takes skill to master Lucid Dreaming. You have to work on it and be persistent. If everyone knew about it, imagine the amount of people that would join DV and start threads saying, 'I can't do it! Help me!'. And there would probablly be little kids that are 7 or 8 that decide to give it a go. Imagine sharing your LD'ing talent with a 7 year old...

EDIT: It's not about the way you do it. It's the fact that you can do it, and that not many other people you know in RL can.

like i said before, there have been cultures with a generalized awareness of lucid dreaming. having a generalized awareness didn't degrade lucid dreaming. but because i value this skill and not new 3D TV technology or whatever i can relate on some level with what you two are saying. regardless, the value of lucid dreaming isn't going to be diminished by more people doing it, and what makes me unique isn't going to be dragged along with it.

Uh, my brother shared his LD talent with me when I was 5, I also got my first experience at the time and started practicing then, I also share it with anyone that is interested in it regardless of age, and 13- people aren't allowed in DV anyway, don't think that would be a problem. I also doubt that many people would join DV just because its widely known, you know, there are many forums that focus on LD and are not so well known, as well as some others anime based that aren't that well known, that is, if you are referring at the "family" bond that one grows in an internet community.

Wait.. why it isn't the way you can do it... that pretty much means life is not unique in anyway because everyone alive can be alive <.<

Originally Posted by cygnus

no, DV isn't a secret society.
but if everyone decided to be emo, then the original emos wouldn't be happy.

Aren't emos... Already not happy?

Anyways, I wouldn't like it if everyone could Lucid dreams. Because when I actually can be able to do it, it's a skill I have over other people, which I like (at least in my mind) having an advantage. Call me self centered and anything else you want, but what I've said is already out there .

i'm with walms. teaching kids a skill can have a positive impact on their life, so maybe you should just separate your self-importance from the issue. from the standpoint of LDing having therapeutic, entertaining or other benefits, i can imagine that a world where everyone knows about this would have happier, more well-rounded people.

Originally Posted by Smuds

Aren't emos... Already not happy?

haha

Originally Posted by cygnus

haha

Thanks XD..

Anyways, on the other hand, there might (will...) be people who will not have the patience to Lucid Dream. So it actually wouldn't be super main stream. It's not like mainstream music that you can just listen to, it takes time and... well mostly time XD.

*Also on the topic that it would improve peoples lives... It seems that if you can control your dream just by thinking about it, a seven year old could easily "accidentally" think of a nightmare, and because they would only be seven, they'd be scared out of their mind and wouldn't know how to react, so it's a horrible nightmare for them...

Man, that made so much more sense in my head.

Walms, I think being alive is a bit different to LD'ing, but I do see your point.
Well, I think that you were just extremelly lucky to be able to LD at that age successfully. I think that a lot of children would give it a go and scare themselves silly because of sleep paralysis.
I just think if more people were to join DV, which they most likely would, it would become overcrowded and you wouldn't be able to go; 'Hey, I know that person.' at everyone who posts in a thread.

To Smuds; that's exactlly what I'm saying, too. I don't think it's selfish or what-not, I think it's fair enough that we have a talent/hobby/whatever-you-want-to-call-it that others don't.

Originally Posted by Daydreamer14

Walms, I think being alive is a bit different to LD'ing, but I do see your point.
Well, I think that you were just extremelly lucky to be able to LD at that age successfully. I think that a lot of children would give it a go and scare themselves silly because of sleep paralysis.
I just think if more people were to join DV, which they most likely would, it would become overcrowded and you wouldn't be able to go; 'Hey, I know that person.' at everyone who posts in a thread.

To Smuds; that's exactlly what I'm saying, too. I don't think it's selfish or what-not, I think it's fair enough that we have a talent/hobby/whatever-you-want-to-call-it that others don't.

Mmhm, especially if you're like me and don't have many other skills/talent/hobbies/whatever-you-want-to-call-it's.

Also, alive is completely different from my POV because you (judging from birth and not committing suicide) don't have a choice whether you want to live or not...

lol I had no sucess from the point I started until 8 years later, not to say I wouldn't enjoy nightmares, were my only natural LDs and was quite fond of them.

Anyway thats off-topic, I don't disagree with people wanting it to not be mainstream, I disagree that it would lose uniqness because of it, I understand people wanting to have something that isn't that... known, I just don't get how it becoming known and helping people would make it worse, seriously, you can make it unique in your own way, so it isn't that much of a loss. Also, a lot of people don't speak english, so you won't get that many DVers.

EDIT: And everyone dreams wether they want to or not, that they forget is different, not a choice either, just as it isn't cool to have less legs so it isn't mainstream.

Originally Posted by Smuds

Mmhm, especially if you're like me and don't have many other skills/talent/hobbies/whatever-you-want-to-call-it's.

Also, alive is completely different from my POV because you (judging from birth and not committing suicide) don't have a choice whether you want to live or not...

Yup. I suck at basically everything I do, so Lucid Dreaming feels special to me. I don't take it for granted.

Originally Posted by Walms

lol I had no sucess from the point I started until 8 years later, not to say I wouldn't enjoy nightmares, were my only natural LDs and was quite fond of them.

Anyway thats off-topic, I don't disagree with people wanting it to not be mainstream, I disagree that it would lose uniqness because of it, I understand people wanting to have something that isn't that... known, I just don't get how it becoming known and helping people would make it worse, seriously, you can make it unique in your own way, so it isn't that much of a loss. Also, a lot of people don't speak english, so you won't get that many DVers.

Yes, but (if it became mainstream) there would be, in my opinion, thousands (probably more, I just don't have an education open-mind) of people will come onto this site, and be semi active, which would also take away the specialness (not a word? Oh well...) of knowing a site...

I personally think of this site as a secret society anyone is allowed to come to.

we're talking about the world, not DV

Well, yeah but someone (I think it was you :S) brought up someone thinking DV was a secret society or something.

Anyways, A thought just came into my head...

Do people look at you funny when you talk about LD's? Do you think they do that because it's uncommon, or they think you're nuts?

I personally think it's the second option, so just because everyone's heard of Lucid Dreaming, doesn't mean people will beleive it's existence.

Eh, look at the amount of people who join at DV, then look at the amount that are active, I think it was 21k/2.5k? It isn't that much of a secret base already <.<

21,000 people compared to how many people in the world XD?

that's been the topic of a number of threads here, smuds. (do ppl look at you funny)

i'm interested in hearing how things might be different in the world if everybody knew of lucid dreaming aside from how DV's status would change! haha.

Well, than fine

I still don't think people would talk about their dreams so in a way, I guess nothing would actually change.