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I don't see where the topic is arguing the fact that you are recieving visual information via another environment.. It is the simple fact that you dream in color. [/b]
To say that you receive visual information in a dream (color) is to say that the dream world is another environment. Color and perception is entirely possible because of reflecting light. If you can actually see in a dream this would mean that the dream world is, in fact, another world. Since I do not agree with this aspect (and can be scientifically argued) this means that dreams are introverted and colors are individualy incorporated in a cognitive fashion.
Originally posted by Howetzer@
Like you said, it will add color to make sense of things.
Much like other memory aspects, you are inevitably going to associate colors and empathetic emotions to objects, situations, people, etc. This is the foundation of dreams. This is the foundation of conditional psychology. Colors are incorporated into dreams along the simple basis of conditional psychology - you are used to seeing grass green, so if you dream of grass, it will be green (unless the color of the grass has some significant psychological symbolism). Your memory will input the colors as you are conditioned to them. If you had always seen grass as blue, then you would most likely dream of blue grass. This is just like how I said when you recall movies in cinema format, you do not remember the top and bottom bars - this concept is basically the same but inversed.
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But how can you differentate a color from an object?
What you and Sesquipedalian Dreams say does not in anyway, that I can see, differentiate a color from any other object that your brain would store in its memory.
If you had never seen a Zebra your brain would have no recall of such an animal. The same would hold true for a color/colour. If you had never seen blue how would your brain know what blue looks like?
Now as far as your brain manifesting a color or an animal out of thin air is based on all the knowledge that it already posses. So in a dream If see a color that I have thought that I have never seen or an animal, it was based opon the previous perceptions of the other relating data stored in my mind.
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I don't think I exactly understand your point - are you saying that what about when you dream of something you have never seen and it has to be in color? Because, like I said, when you dream of things you have not encountered personally, this is when black and white dreams are expected. These hypothetical dreams may also incorporate imagination - what it would feel like, what you expect it to look like, etc. All this assimilated to create the dream manifestation.
Otherwise, I don't exactly get your point. How can you dream of something, especially a color, if you have never seen it before. It is just like me asking you to imagine what the color Tyurpe is - you can't. How can you? Ask a born-blind person to picture blue - how can he? How can you imagine it? With what association?
Also, black and white dreams are the simple foundations of dreams - light and dark. Colors tend to represent empathy in dreams and exenuate the depths of symbolism. When you are trying to imagine something you have never seen before, you might imagine what color it is. Or, you may just imagine it's structure and appearance and ignore the color of it.
Anyways.. to keep this short. I say that you do dream in color - but that it's your memory that's creating/incoporating the colors, much like the rest of the dream. You are not receiving visual information because this would mean that the dream world must be another plane of physical existance - which I believe in as much as that imagining is the proces of entering another tangible plane of existance.
In short short:
- Dream in color: yes
- However, don't confuse this with seeing color in dreams as an external stimulus
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Edit: Another good point to consider is child dream amnesia. Although we do dream when we are younger, there is not enough memory and associations to effectively remember them - there is not enough stimulus. We do not have enough competence and comprehension as a child to effectively remember our dreams. It is through development and living life that we can eventually understand and even fathom our dreams.
Also, I think we're going in circles here.. we are just saying that you cannot receive color information in dreams and that it is an incorporated aspect in dreams just like any other dream stimulus. To say that you receive sensory input in dreams is to say that dreaming is taking place in another tangible and physical world.
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