Thread: J's Lding Tech

I am becoming very interested in your technique, it seems to be very effictive. A humble thank you for fixing your grammar, it is very much appreciated. Also, maybe we could work on a tutorial?

Originally Posted by jonny

1. The visulisation should be performed when you feel right(pesonally I do it when I feel most relaxed) but whatever works for you.
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Am I correct in saying that when the lines open up to reveal your dream scene one is immediately transported into that dream fully conscious. What happens if the lines open up but one isn't transported into the dream.? Does one start again? I'm afraid that I may mess up the timing and not be able to do the technique until the next night.

Originally Posted by jonny

2. Well it borrows the moves but most of it is different.
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In that case, what about the 5 hour waiting period and awaking during REM that is mandatory for WILD? Can this technique be performed when going to be normally.

Originally Posted by jonny

3. Sorry could you explain this question, without abreviations. Ido not understand what do they meen??
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SP is short for sleep paralysis. It is a stage where your body has completely fallen asleep and is paralysed, but your mind is still awake. It is one of the side-effects experienced when entering a dream through WILD.

HI is Hypnogogic imagery. It is almost a type of visualisation, but spontaneous and vivid. It is thought to be the beginning stages of dreaming, and is also part of WILD.

I was specifically refering to these, since I assumed the experience would be similar to performing WILD. Could you maybe give us a bit of a run through of what we can expect when its going right, physically and mentally?

Originally Posted by jonny

4. You must concentrate on going lucid all the time for me it works to repeat the words "I am going to go lucid" in my head and focus on nothing but the job in hand, (going lucid )
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It may be effective to combine this with the breathing/counting technique popular with wilds. That's the one where you breath in, count, breath out, and repeat 'I am dreaming'.

Originally Posted by jonny

Confirmed working...

100%
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Can we get a full report on that please? I'm going to try it out myself tonight, and I'll post my story, but I;m not sure if I will successfully perform the technique.

Hi again taihen, making a tutorial sounds great. Now for some more answers,

1. when oyu open up the line to the dream scene you should do an RC, if it works then 'wayhay' your in a dream if not set your alarm for about 20 minutes on and go to sleep. When our alarm goes off repeat process. .

2. Well you could wait for the 5 hour REM period then try but that seems pointless, just watch TV or read a book
untill very tired then try AFILD.

3. Do not know about SP, dou you want to know if SP happens? HI, this should happen as soon as the line is open or sooner and you can only see the image when th eline opens.

4. The counting and breathing sounds good I have not trien this new idea yet, shall try tonight.


And don't be scared that you won't go lucid (YOU WILL).

Hope this clears up any issues you had and PM me about making a tutorial.

J

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3. when about to go to sleep do tch whith both hands and in your head imagine a line going goin acroos from 1 side f your eye t the other then open it .[/b]

3. When you are about to go to sleep; do the technique with both hands. Inside you head imagine a line shooting across your vision. Then split the line; opening it into the dreamscape. Is that it?

would it work if you weren't extremely sleepy. like maybe average.i don't know. before i go to sleep im not that sleepy but yesterday i downloaded some spiral thing and as i watched it i got sleepier, i could feel it getting harder to keep my eyes open.

Originally Posted by taihen

I will translate for the benifit of everyone
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Fixed. THIS is how you write up a technique.
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Thank you. Spelling mistakes and lack of punctuation are one thing but I couldn't understand that at all.

Okay, its early in the morning and I'm going to try this thing out WITHOUT waking up in my REM sleep. I'm assuming that the 'opening of the line' part should be done to initiate the dream in a way that is similar to WILD. That is, after any possible sleep paralysis or HI. Since we only have Jonny's report to go by, it is very possible that Jonny did not experience any SP or HI, or just didn't know what I was referring to. I'd love to see Noin's report.

I can't promise magic, as I'm not most comfortable with WILD. I'm mainly WBTB, but I'll give it a go to test it on a non-regular WILDer.

What do you mean "Noin's report" - like how i did it or how it went?

If it's about how it went, i basically followed all the steps, but altered it a bit.

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Once i finished FILDing with the left and right hand, BUT before i started FILDing with both at the same time, i closed my eyes VERY strongly (so that i could see those images, which are usually visible after pressing your fingers against the eyes).

After i did this, i started FILDing with both hands at the same time, also - i concentrated on the middle of my "black" sight [it's really hard, because it's hard to distinguish "seeing" t he blackness and imagining it.]

Anyway after successfully getting ahold of the middle of the "black eye sight" a bright dot started appearing, and the whole vision was flashing, after a while when my eyes became tired - blue stuff started appearing, like some sort of waves. Between those waves different shapes were appearing, and the most creepy part - faces of my favorite anime characters, or even normal humans (it's hard to differ because it was just black/blue/green).

Anyway after all this i decided myself to finally do this "zipping line" thing, and well i imagined that line going from my right to the left (horizontally) and opening up revealing anything i've imagined before (a room, object, whatever).
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That's how i got it.

Originally Posted by Noin

What do you mean "Noin's report" - like how i did it or how it went?

If it's about how it went, i basically followed all the steps, but altered it a bit.

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Once i finished FILDing with the left and right hand, BUT before i started FILDing with both at the same time, i closed my eyes VERY strongly (so that i could see those images, which are usually visible after pressing your fingers against the eyes).

After i did this, i started FILDing with both hands at the same time, also - i concentrated on the middle of my "black" sight [it's really hard, because it's hard to distinguish "seeing" t he blackness and imagining it.]

Anyway after successfully getting ahold of the middle of the "black eye sight" a bright dot started appearing, and the whole vision was flashing, after a while when my eyes became tired - blue stuff started appearing, like some sort of waves. Between those waves different shapes were appearing, and the most creepy part - faces of my favorite anime characters, or even normal humans (it's hard to differ because it was just black/blue/green).

Anyway after all this i decided myself to finally do this "zipping line" thing, and well i imagined that line going from my right to the left (horizontally) and opening up revealing anything i've imagined before (a room, object, whatever).
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That's how i got it.
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Dude when i listen to my mp3 hypnosis stuff, I see blue wavy stuff and shapes. im going to try this technique tonight!

Well you seem to be having a dicusission by yourself, soz for not posting in a while. I haven't had the time.

If grammar could kill, jonny, you would be a mass murderer...

One thing I don't get - How can you get straight into a dream from being awake, especially if you're not in REM stage? But overall it sounds like a cool tech.

Hell you go straight into a dream EVERY time when you fall asleep, it may sound stupid - but we have dreams EVERY night, but the nights in which we supposedly had no dreams at all - we forgot, it's Amnesia.

Anyway that's like asking: "How can a ball roll"

i knew that much!!! but i cant seem to get straight into a dream,its more awake than that. but o wel.

Originally Posted by wet

i knew that much!!! but i cant seem to get straight into a dream,its more awake than that. but o wel.
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The answer is:

1. Don't post unrelated crap in the first thread you see because you are too lazy to read the tutorials. In this thread we are discussing a specific technique.
2. Don't get cocky with people that have way more experience than you and are trying to help you. I am refering to Noin here.
3. Go here and research WILDs. You will find everything you need.
4. And correct your grammar, please.

Sorry for the double post, but this is a serious topic.

Originally Posted by Noin

Once i finished FILDing with the left and right hand, BUT before i started FILDing with both at the same time, i closed my eyes VERY strongly (so that i could see those images, which are usually visible after pressing your fingers against the eyes).

After i did this, i started FILDing with both hands at the same time, also - i concentrated on the middle of my "black" sight [it's really hard, because it's hard to distinguish "seeing" t he blackness and imagining it.]

Anyway after successfully getting ahold of the middle of the "black eye sight" a bright dot started appearing, and the whole vision was flashing, after a while when my eyes became tired - blue stuff started appearing, like some sort of waves. Between those waves different shapes were appearing, and the most creepy part - faces of my favorite anime characters, or even normal humans (it's hard to differ because it was just black/blue/green).

Anyway after all this i decided myself to finally do this "zipping line" thing, and well i imagined that line going from my right to the left (horizontally) and opening up revealing anything i've imagined before (a room, object, whatever).
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Excellent Noin, thank you. I'm going to combine this with Jonny's information to create some kind of 'official technique', if you want to call it that. Oh, and Johnny, the visualisations that Noin was discribing are referred to as HI, or Hypnotic Imagery. Maybe you can give us an account of your experiences as well?

So Noin, Nayuki or Ayu? Uguu~

Originally Posted by taihen

The answer is:

1. Don't post unrelated crap in the first thread you see because you are too lazy to read the tutorials. In this thread we are discussing a specific technique.
2. Don't get cocky with people that have way more experience than you and are trying to help you. I am refering to Noin here.
3. Go here and research WILDs. You will find everything you need.
4. And correct your grammar, please.

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1. I don't see how it is unrelated seeing as I am asking about Johnny's tech.

2. I wasn't being cocky, I was just explaining that my previous comment had made it sound like I didn't have a clue.

3. I have read all of the tutorials and have most of them printed off in a little booklet thing.

4. There's nothing wrong with my grammar, I was mostly using TXT TLK because I was typing on a PSP which is very hard to type on and anyone who has used the keypad will agree. Also, I had lost the post twice already so I kept cutting it down.

Anyway, there is no need to get all annoyed about it.

Ok, I'll accept that you were just being conversational.

If you had READ the tutorials, you would KNOW about WILDs and how one can go from being awake to dreaming. If you didn't catch that, please read the tutorials again. The question you are asking is related to WILDs, and is not specific to developing Jonny's technique, which is what we are discussing HERE.

Originally Posted by wet

4. There's nothing wrong with my grammar, I was mostly using TXT TLK because I was typing on a PSP which is very hard to type on and anyone who has used the keypad will agree.
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YES, There IS something wrong with your grammar.

Originally Posted by wet

i knew that much!!! but i cant seem to get straight into a dream,its more awake than that. but o wel.
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I knew that much! But still, I can seem to get straight into a dream. It's more awake than that. But, oh well...

Note the

1. Capitalisation of the first letter of a sentence
2. Single exclamation mark
3. No comma splice error
4. Apostrophe in 'its'
5. Appropriate use of elipsis

That is CORRECT. 'TXT TLK' is WRONG. Use whatever you want, but do not tell me that there is nothing wrong with your grammar. Thank you for typing correctly last time, it was much appreciated.

Originally Posted by taihen

Ok, I'll accept that you were just being conversational.

If you had READ the tutorials, you would KNOW about WILDs and how one can go from being awake to dreaming. If you didn't catch that, please read the tutorials again. The question you are asking is related to WILDs, and is not specific to developing Jonny's technique, which is what we are discussing HERE.
YES, There IS something wrong with your grammar.
I knew that much! But still, I can seem to get straight into a dream. It's more awake than that. But, oh well...

Note the

1. Capitalisation of the first letter of a sentence
2. Single exclamation mark
3. No comma splice error
4. Apostrophe in 'its'
5. Appropriate use of elipsis

That is CORRECT. 'TXT TLK' is WRONG. Use whatever you want, but do not tell me that there is nothing wrong with your grammar. Thank you for typing correctly last time, it was much appreciated.
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Yes, but I was using a PSP so I was struggling to type correctly. Also, I did mean to say that I CANNOT go straight from waking state to being in a dream and the "It's more awake than that" was supposed to be explaining that when I am imagining my dreamscape straight from waking state I can sense an awakeness, and I know I am not fully asleep. Therefore I can put a comma there, but I should have a space. It might be better to use a colon or a semi-colon, but there you go. And when I said that there is nothing wrong with my grammar, I meant that my grammar is perfectly good when I want it to be, but in that post I couldn't be bothered to do it properly because of the PSP's stupid design, and I accept that my grammar was bad in that post. But then again, who really cares on the internet! It doesn't have to be an impeccable sentence, but it shouldn't use too many abbreviations. I made a couple of grammatical errors which I was aware of, but I mostly made sure it was understandable by not completely using text talk or whatever you call it. If you have ever used a PSP's keypad system, then you will agree entirely that it takes an age to type a decent post.

BTW: This wasn't typed on a PSP.

P.S: Do y'all have a problem with the aforementioned BTW, P.S. and y'all?

Excellent! What a beautiful piece of English. I appreciate the effort you put into expressing yourself eloquently. Abbreviations are acceptable if they are part of the jargon of this community, such as HI or SP.

If I was going to be extremely strict with grammar, I would insist that you would structure your sentence "I made a couple of grammatical errors which I was aware of" as "I made a couple of grammatical errors of which I was aware", but that would be above the call of duty here.

Because you expressed yourself so profoundly, I have no trouble in helping you with this technique. Your dreamscape may be frustrating, as many people talk of the dreamscape leading to the dream, whereas you just feel as though they are visulisations. I believe you may have gone onto the visualisation stage too early. First, you should relax until your start lose track of your body. Here you should concentrate on relaxation and HI, which may be difficult since the sensations are quite intense. At some point, you will get this strange feeling, almsot like you have completely left your body and are nowhere near lying in your bed. At this point, you should start visualising your dream. The visualisations should take on a magical quality, and if all goes well you should find yourself sucked into a dream.

thanks - that explains it but i think i would be better off with another tech as i think by the time i got to sleep i would have lost concentration, but obviously that is a problem with me, not the tech.
N.B: The psp doesn't capitalise "i" and i tried to type a gramatically correct post this long on a psp - it took about 7 minutes!

Anyway,

Nayuki.

Also i had another success with that tech last night

sounds cool will try tonite

Originally Posted by wet

thanks - that explains it but i think i would be better off with another tech as i think by the time i got to sleep i would have lost concentration, but obviously that is a problem with me, not the tech.
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WILD techniques have their own special benifits, like increased lucidity and (for me, more important) an ability to actively enter lucid rem without having to 'hope' that you awake in a lucid dream.

Everyone loses concentration in the beginning; WILD and FILD are advanced techniques. But I suggest that you practice them a little bit, if only to understand all the problems on this forum a bit more. Its not a problem with you, its a problem with everyone.

Originally Posted by wet

Also i had another success with that tech last night
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Just a question, did you do it after waking up from REM, or just as you went to sleep? I'm finding it impossible to do going to sleep, and I can't wake up in REM because I only GET 5 hours sleep.

Originally Posted by wet

Nayuki.
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I go for Ayu. She's on the left, I'll leave the forum people to judge. She's cuter when eating Taiyaki.

Maybe I will give this a try tonight, oh boy i have to try so many tonight, i should make a schedule, attempting this metho/then this one, then that one etc