Evp

[LucidFlanders]

What is your thoughts on this? after watching paranormal activity 2 i been doing some EVP digging just for some fun even though EVP is not really assosiated with PA2. I dont care if your skeptic, whats your views on this? It is funny how real it can sound. I will link a really CREEPY one. http://ghostpix.com/coastuse/C2Citsinmyroom.wav They say the voice is saying "its is in my room" I am not really a believer of this, the brain can do some intresting things if we really want our brain to feed off this. Just something paranormal to talk about.

[juroara]

Have you ever stood next to a fuzzy radio and just by standing near it, you made the signal clear? Radio waves, among other types of waves, actually travel through our body, and are picked up by our technology. We also describe human thoughts in terms of brain waves (electromagnetic). Can human brain waves be picked up remotely by technology? I think EVP might be on to something. But it might be better if they instead researched the thoughts of us living humans being picked up by machines. Then we can talk about disembodied spirits.

[Alric]

Most of the time when people have evp's they are not clear at all. Especially on tv shows and stuff, they are horrible quality. Likely they are just random sounds, and people imagine that they are actual words.

[spockman]

Most of the time when people have evp's they are not clear at all. Especially on tv shows and stuff, they are horrible quality. Likely they are just random sounds, and people imagine that they are actual words. What, like the likeliest explanation of most backmasking? (Not denying some is real, backmasking that is.) That is probably the most reasonable explanation.

[Velzhaed]

To take a show like Ghost Hunters for example, they make a big deal about matrixing, and how the face you see in the smoke or in the tree bark is really just the human brain and its need to find patterns (especially faces) in abstract forms. However they never make note of the fact that most of their "EvPs" just sound like garbled sound until they put a subtitle under it, and then suddenly when you know what they expect you to hear you can suddenly here the words. Especially with those digital recorders. If you've ever had one they take background noises too dull to be picked up clearly and turn them into "blurbs" abd "blips," the audio version of pixelation. You've also gotta take anything those shows find with a big grain of salt. The guys on those shows are making a living off providing "evidence," not to mention the fame they get for being on television. If their shows don't produce evidence on a weekly basis they risk being canceled. That leads to stuff like that horrible Ghost Hunters live episode a few years back when Grant got busted straight-up faking a "ghost" pulling on his windbreaker. When the various paranormal investigators bring their armloads of evidence to a major science publication or respected group of experts and are found to be valid, then I'll take them seriously. Until then as far as I'm concerned it's just the modern version of the medium, wiring up her table with pull-cords and peeking at the photos in your wallet.

[Velzhaed]

Have you ever stood next to a fuzzy radio and just by standing near it, you made the signal clear? Radio waves, among other types of waves, actually travel through our body, and are picked up by our technology. We also describe human thoughts in terms of brain waves (electromagnetic). Can human brain waves be picked up remotely by technology? I think EVP might be on to something. But it might be better if they instead researched the thoughts of us living humans being picked up by machines. Then we can talk about disembodied spirits. You're getting into some pseudo-science there. Even with our most advance technology specifically designed for the task, the electrodues used to detect brain waves have to be placed directly on the skull, and even then can only read superficial electrical signals with the aid of conductive gel. You can't scan brainwaves by hooking the electrodues up to the patient's hand, for example. The radio works because there's a transmitter out there pumping the signals into the air, which the radio recieves by tuning to the desired frequency. But there is no transmitter in the human skull, nothing amplifying those signals and broadcasting them through the skull. You also have to keep in mind that synaptic transmission is an electrical AND chemical process; there's more going on than electricity bouncing around in your skull. (Requisite Wiki link: Neuron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

[juroara]

I never said we had the right science or technology to study it. But if you consider the theory behind EVPs, then you should be able to start setting up real experiments with real living subjects than ghosts that might not be there. In other words, we can set up an experiment with a control. This would have to be a very unique experiment that takes a lot into consideration. I don't know much about technology and brainwaves, but I do know that we have the science and technology to read the electromagnetic field of the heart from a measurable distance. Since the brain also produces its own electromagnetic field, I would assume you could also measure it from a distance.

[Maria92]

1. Some scientists speculate hauntings are caused by ultra low frequencies. 2. EVP is likely a result of the human mind. If you stare at static for long enough, you'll see things, too. I've gotten the sensation from listening to the white noise of pure binaural beats. Same principle applies. If you concentrate, you should be able to control it. There is something related to the latter called the Ganzfield effect. If you tape ping pong balls over your eyes and put on white noise, your mind will create its own visual and audio sensations.

[Velzhaed]

I do know that we have the science and technology to read the electromagnetic field of the heart from a measurable distance. Care to elaborate? Not sure if this jives with the same kind of detection needed for brain activity (tiny neurons firing versus a fist-sized muscle pumping) but I haven't heard of this method of detection before.

[juroara]

1. Some scientists speculate hauntings are caused by ultra low frequencies. I know where you are trying to get at with this But this argument doesn't really work in terms of spirituality, because spirituality for YEARS has already been barking that "holy" is a higher frequency and "evil" is a lower frequency. Maybe you should be asking, why do ultra low frequencies make the body react with fear? Not the how. The why! Velzhaed, you can browse this website http://www.glcoherence.org/ There is a section on the website that talks strictly science. But I lose it every time because the website is big and annoying =b, and I just got home from a ten-hours of work so I'm lazy

[Maria92]

I know where you are trying to get at with this But this argument doesn't really work in terms of spirituality, because spirituality for YEARS has already been barking that "holy" is a higher frequency and "evil" is a lower frequency. Maybe you should be asking, why do ultra low frequencies make the body react with fear? Not the how. The why! Some claim that people react to low-frequency sounds like they do at least in part because it was an early warning system. For example, tigers growl within the exact frequency range that causes uneasiness. It may have very well been an evolutionarily advantageous adaption.

[Velzhaed]

I really don't get the where "good" and "evil" can be assigned to oscillating EMR. Infrasound (low-freq) can produce the uneasy feelings the Mario mentioned, but Ultrasound (high-freq) can cause hearing loss and heating effects that can lead to death. Plus we know animals like whales and elephants use low-freq for communication, and we wouldn't call whales "evil." So I'm not sure I would trust "Spirituality" to be a valid source of info. That aside, no luck finding anything about a heart-field detector that doesn't strap directly to the chest. Let me know if you ever stumble across the article you mentioned.