Thread: Zodiac Changes

Thanks Spartiate. It doesn't really matter what we believe, but who we are.
Many of my friends also think I am a little crazy, but we are friends.

Chayba, but there are NOT 13 LUNAR MONTHS IN A YEAR! This isn't philosophy, this is a fact of reality. Go count the moon cycles on a calendar!!! We have been through this.
I know that you think that 13 is a magic number and that there are 13 zodiac signs. But this will blow your mind: There are MORE than 13 constellations in the zodiac!!! Ok? The media didn't tell you that yet, but I will!
It isn't about constellations. They are just pictures in a book. They are not the story.
Astrology works because the planets move around a circle forming different angles with other planets. The circle is split into 12, because you cannot split a circle into 13. Also, 4 elements do not fit into 13. 3 modes (mutable, fixed, cardinal) do not fit into 13. 4 seasons do not fit into 13. If you want to be scientific, go into astronomy, not astrology. Astrology is a mystical art, not a scientific one.

Before you respond, answer me this question, and don't follow it with the word "but". Question: do you understand? Yes? Case closed end of discussion

OH MY GOD. People (you know who you are) stop turning everything into a goddamn argument and ruining perfectly decent threads.

12 is the number of completion for me, while 13 may be the number of completion for someone else. Everyone has their own opinions. I didn't know this would spark such an argument o_o.

Besides, the argument is silly and is eating up a perfectly good thread.

Anyway, who else thinks Zodiac is fun? I've always thought it was intriguing that our personality traits line up with our signs in some form or fashion. For example: I'm a Libra (the scales), and I'm constantly searching for balance in my life.

Originally Posted by KristaNicole07

Anyway, who else thinks Zodiac is fun? I've always thought it was intriguing that our personality traits line up with our signs in some form or fashion. For example: I'm a Libra (the scales), and I'm constantly searching for balance in my life.

Yeah this also intrigues me, I'm an aries and it also fits my personality, so what do you think is the reason that our personality traits line up with our signs? How is this possible? Most of the times it's pretty accurate, so what does the date of our birth have to do with our personality?

I mean, common sense would tell us that it's our environment that decides our personality, but if you look at astrology, it's pretty much proof that the date of birth is the decisive factor. How is this possible?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

proof

Citation needed.

Well I started to read a book about astrology, and they claimed that the proof they submitted to a scientific commission got rejected over and over, just because the scientific commission thinks astrology is not a science and bullshit. I'll try to find some links

edit:

There was perfect agreement, as is emphasized by the Belgian Committee PARA[1], between the Gauquelins and the group of scientists concerning the establishment of an experimental protocol, as well as concerning the calculation of standards and statistical formulas for the sampling. The Committee arrived at the same findings for the positions of Mars in sectors I and IV, which seemed abnormally elevated statistically. Nevertheless, the Committee rejected the Gauquelins' interpretation of the results, considering that the calculations of the theoretical distribution of Mars wasn’t sufficiently confirmed by the Gauquelins. Gauquelin noted his disagreement with the objections of the Committee.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/michel-...#ixzz1Bau8AI47

Anyway, that left aside, I don't understand how it is possible that our date of birth is deciding our personality? Does anyone know the scientific explanation for this?

Because it doesn't.

Well there is a lot of evidence that the time of year, or season, in which you are born may have a significant impact on your personality. This, if I remember correctly, is due to various causes such as the amount of light an infant receives in its first few months and the prevalence of such things as flue and other viruses specific to certain times of the year which may have a direct impact on developing fetuses and infants. However, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense in correlation to the zodiac considering the southern hemisphere experiences opposite seasons? I wonder if the tropical zodiac is as popular in Australia as it is here.

I was born on may 21, so I used to be a Gemini in that system, and now I am a Taurus. However as Dannon pointed out, under Sidereal astrology, I was always a Taurus. In fact I noticed this almost 20 years ago(but never knew why). I never really cared, but when I was younger it did cause some confusion when people asked me what I was. Because I knew I could be either, depending on which dates I used. Eventually I just decided I was Gemini, which was the more popular view of what I should be.

I can see why for most people it could be a slightly annoying. After all your favorite sign is usually the one you are born on, and now your favorite sign can no longer be your favorite! As for people who really believe in it, that really sucks for them. Though maybe they will stop believe when they find out what a joke it really is.

Chyaba:

Six circles placed around a seventh central circle is a model of geometric efficiency and perfection in the second dimension that has been known to mathematicians for ages. But this same configuration in three dimensions consists of 12 spheres arranged around one central sphere, making 13 in all - the most compact three-dimensional arrangement recurrent in nature.

This is true, and this is signified by the 12 signs of the zodiac rotating around the 13th in the center which is Earth. Yes if you take 13 balls and put them together in the shape of a bigger ball, you have one in the middle and 12 all around. Or 2 dimensionally, let's use the example of bubbles floating in water, they arrange themselves as 6 around 1. The zodiac, being 12 around 1, has the four directions, plus the fifth direction of center/inward/upward, it forms the cross in the circle: the symbol for earth and the original symbol behind the Christian cross. This is the practical meaning of the sacred geometry of 12 around 1. This represents the Earth and the space that surrounds it. You have the ascendent, which wouldn't make sense with 13 around 1. The ascendent is the horizon and what is rising on the Eastern horizon and what is setting on the western horizon.

If you look at it this way maybe you can feel some reconciliation with the 13 and the 12. 12+1=13

Anyone who is really interested in astrology would realize that it is not merely their sun sign that should be taken into account, but their entire birth chart. If you know the exact time and place of your birth, then you can get a free natal chart from here: Free Birth Chart

Try it...it's really interesting.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Chyaba:

This is true, and this is signified by the 12 signs of the zodiac rotating around the 13th in the center which is Earth. Yes if you take 13 balls and put them together in the shape of a bigger ball, you have one in the middle and 12 all around. Or 2 dimensionally, let's use the example of bubbles floating in water, they arrange themselves as 6 around 1. The zodiac, being 12 around 1, has the four directions, plus the fifth direction of center/inward/upward, it forms the cross in the circle: the symbol for earth and the original symbol behind the Christian cross. This is the practical meaning of the sacred geometry of 12 around 1. This represents the Earth and the space that surrounds it. You have the ascendent, which wouldn't make sense with 13 around 1. The ascendent is the horizon and what is rising on the Eastern horizon and what is setting on the western horizon.

If you look at it this way maybe you can feel some reconciliation with the 13 and the 12. 12+1=13

Well like I said before, I don't know about astrology, I was arguing about 13 moons. You are right that it doesn't make sense with 13 around 1 it would make 14 instead of 13. Btw good idea to put your pic as avatar I think I might do the same ^^ sexy pic btw, and no I'm not gay

So what is the relation between sacred geometry and astrology?

Also, some guy I knew was able to tell from peoples faces when they were born and he claimed it was because of astrology, that is pretty much why I got into it. So is this guy bullshitting or is this actually possible?

If venus is over here and mars is over there, the angle they are in relation to each other means something. This angle has to do with angles of perfect shapes, like squares (90degrees), equilateral triangles (60 degrees), hexagon, etc. etc.. these angles by themselves have the same meaning as they would in sacred geometry, however you also have the meaning of the planets to consider. Also, what direction a planet is going in. If it is going backwards then it has a different meaning. Then you have to consider which part of the sky the planets are in (which sign). Like I said, the sky is split into 12 around 1. So, the planets moving through the sky makes different geometric shapes and if you freeze time at those times you have a horoscope. I posted my horoscope above as an example. You can see that I have a major conjuntion of planets aligned in Gemini. I have four planets (the Sun is technically a star but..) in the Gemini part of the sky. It is interesting to look up famous people's horoscopes. Try it.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Well there is a lot of evidence that the time of year, or season, in which you are born may have a significant impact on your personality. This, if I remember correctly, is due to various causes such as the amount of light an infant receives in its first few months and the prevalence of such things as flue and other viruses specific to certain times of the year which may have a direct impact on developing fetuses and infants. However, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense in correlation to the zodiac considering the southern hemisphere experiences opposite seasons? I wonder if the tropical zodiac is as popular in Australia as it is here.

Well if that theory is correct, artificial light has made the zodiac useless! Just like my poor circadian rhythm that doesn't know what time it is.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

If venus is over here and mars is over there, the angle they are in relation to each other means something. This angle has to do with angles of perfect shapes, like squares (90degrees), equilateral triangles (60 degrees), hexagon, etc. etc.. these angles by themselves have the same meaning as they would in sacred geometry, however you also have the meaning of the planets to consider. Also, what direction a planet is going in. If it is going backwards then it has a different meaning. Then you have to consider which part of the sky the planets are in (which sign). Like I said, the sky is split into 12 around 1. So, the planets moving through the sky makes different geometric shapes and if you freeze time at those times you have a horoscope. I posted my horoscope above as an example. You can see that I have a major conjuntion of planets aligned in Gemini. I have four planets (the Sun is technically a star but..) in the Gemini part of the sky. It is interesting to look up famous people's horoscopes. Try it.

Thanks for your explanation, it cleared up alot for me, especially the part about sacred geometry really intrigues me. I also made a similar horoscope through that site Aquanina linked, however, I still fail to understand how exactly I put my horoscope to use?

Well, you can read about how all the aspects (angles) relate to each other and the planets in parts of the sky. That is what astrologers do, is interpret that for you. See, that horizontal line? That is the horizon. Everything above it is in the sky, everything below it is below the horizon. The left is the East. The sign there is your Rising sign, or ascendant. That is the first HOUSE. There are 12 houses, just like zodiac signs, and they relate to the signs and each house rules and area of life experience for you. One house is the house of the self, another is for career, another is relationships, the other is marriage and family, etc. You can do further research with a google search. Difficult angles or planets in a house mean a difficult challenge in that area of life.

You can also look at the daily horoscopes by looking it up in an ephemris and comparing it to your chart and see how the angles add up. A lot of people seem to have a difficult time when Mercury or another planet appears to go backwards (this is called retrograde) but for me as long as I don't travel I seem to have a easy time when Mercury goes retrograde. I think because I have such an affinity for Mercury, since it is in my ruling sign and conjunct other planets. But I do have problems with technology at those times. I have setbacks with my car at those times often, like I'll get a flat tire or have difficulty getting my car registered or something.

This is an area of lots of study, and I haven't put much time into studying it, so I am not the best person to give you pointers. But a pointer I can give is to research the influences of each planet and each sign.

Artificial light doesn't make astrology useless...gravitational forces still affect you, plus differing magnetic fields, and the whole change of personal contortion of space( resulting in non-homogenous time distortion fields around us all the time) via macro resultant forces from mass objects in motion. This is not even mentioning all the other peculiar affects we get from complex macro forces affecting complex biological entities that we don't even know about- because we don't know all the forces out there yet, nor all the energy forms!
In any case, this new system does make much more sense to me. I changed to a Taurean, and a Gemini never vibed with me anyways. Taurean sounds about right, that whole lower twin thing didn't make much sense, and I'm extremely stubborn. Like ridiculous. Always have been. I have to force myself to see the other side of things all the time, or Ill just bulldoze through them lol.

Does anyone know of a proficient birth chart reader on DV? I have my birth chart and would love to get it deciphered!

Something that not many astronomers know and most astrologers don't know is this: The sun oscillates around the center of mass of the whole solar system. When the giant planets are conjunct the center of mass of the solar system is outside the surface of the sun. So the sun wobbles and sometimes it wobbles more than other times and faster depending on the aspects of the planets. This is interesting to think about. Perhaps there is some relationship between the frequency and velocity of the wobble of the sun and the personality or events on Earth?

Originally Posted by cmind

Anyone who's actually bothered by this "revelation" is also probably not a rational thinker to begin with.

lol yea

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Something that not many astronomers know and most astrologers don't know is this: The sun oscillates around the center of mass of the whole solar system. When the giant planets are conjunct the center of mass of the solar system is outside the surface of the sun. So the sun wobbles and sometimes it wobbles more than other times and faster depending on the aspects of the planets. This is interesting to think about. Perhaps there is some relationship between the frequency and velocity of the wobble of the sun and the personality or events on Earth?

I'd be surprised if every astronomer didn't know this. I know it and I only have a school-level physics education. :/