Fourth-dimension, third-eye

[Nick89]

Here is a link to a kind of guide which helps create a better understanding of what the 4D (spatial) is: http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/4d/vis/01...o_visualize_4D. I know, the fourth-dimension is time, as we live in spacetime, a 4D reality, really. In the first part of the guide a dimensional analogy is introduced. Namely: a 1D is a line, objects of 1D are lines, confined by points in 0D. 2D is a plane, objects in 2D being 2D figures, confined by 1D lines. 3D is a space, objects in 3D being confined by 2D objects. From another point of view: we have 3D lens, but only 2D retina, thanks to which, however, we can quite well 'grasp' the 3D world. Theoretically, 2D creature would have a 1D 'retina', it's very simple, one can prove it easily by drawing it. We really only see in 2D - thanks to certain data, such as light, shade, and so on, we're able to infer what going on in the 3D. However, our 'assumptions' (because, obviously, we don't see a chair, we only have an idea of a chair in our mind thanks to looking at the chair) are sometimes wrong and so optical illusions are possible. Ayway... What I'm getting at? I'll put it simply. I know it will sound far-fetched, because it actually is far-fetched fantasy of my own. I wanted to share it, though. So... Analogically, to see 4D one needs a 3D retina, that was written in the source I gave a link to. We're just theoretically speaking: to see in 4D one would need a 3D retina, and 4D lens. Allright? I'm sure everything's clear. And here, starts my crazy idea. Trying to apply the theory into practise. Let's assume we can see in 4D, we can project into 4D - we can see time, spirits, clairvoyance is real, astral plane is real, and so on. Assuming that, where is our retina? The third-eye. Pineal gland. A 3D retina. 'Hamlet: Methinks I see my father, Horatio: Where, my lord? Hamlet: In my mind's eye.' Sheakspeare, 5 hundred years ago, wrote about that. Eastern philosophy has been talking about that for ages. What's our lens? Frankly, I've got no foggiest idea. Any comments on that?

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Not farfetched at all. In fact you got it. That is it. Dreams are 4D.

[Nick89]

Thanks, your post assured me that maybe I'm not that crazy as I thought I've realised I missed one important concept in the previous post- just a nice, pretty, logical idea. When I presented the dimensional analogy from the point of what is objects and what confines them in each dimension, I wrote that in 2D object (lines) are confined by 1D points, in 3D objects are spaces confined by 2D planes. And here I stopped. But when you go further, what actually confines 4D objects? Spaces. Think about it for a minute. Let's assume there is a '4D world'; dreams, astral planes, thoughts and so on (maybe some of them are in even higher dimension than 4th). Assuming they are real, and I've come across a lot of evidence that they are - I recommend Tom Campbell's lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUM6d...eature=related (basically, he has been a researcher of OBE's and altered states of consciousness since 1970's, he gives a lot of examples, refers to scientific experiments he made). Moreover, just... think about it. You are conscious, you think, feel, you've got identity, your dreams, possibly - your soul - and so on... Would it be just an illusion? Would all minds be separate and all that's in each of them is just an illusion? But then, where the hell this illusion exist??? It must exist somewhere... If you experience it, it's real, isn't it? I don't mean, watever you experience, like you;ve got hallucinations on LSD, it must be real, no, no... I mean, the experience itself, thoughts, MUST exist somewhere. OK? So I call this 'mental dimension' or 'spiritual dimension' 4D. And once again, what (dimensional analogy) confines 4D? Spaces. What is boundaries? Spaces. What happens when the 4D objects change? Boundaries are moved, boundaries is 3D... All this is obvious. Seems obvious... But reflect on it... Cross the boundaries. (it was ment to be a clever punchline, however, it turned into a cheesy one, sorry for that, it's not my fault )

[Dannon Oneironaut]

The body is the surface of the mind. Concentration/attention is the lens. Individual minds are waves in an ocean of universal mind. This is the 4th dimension. The 5th dimension is pure consciousness that transcends unconscious, subconscious, and conscious. There is no individual mind at this level, no waves. Or the waves are so fast and small that they are everywhere at once, I haven't figured it out yet. It is hard to conceptualize or put into words. Might even be impossible. Pure empty space is pure mind.