Thread: DreamViews Academy Chat Sunday 3pm -5GMT(Eastern Standard Time)

DVA CHAT SUNDAY


As the title explains, we are going to be hosting a DreamViews Academy chat discussion.Everyone is welcome to join and we encourage participation! The basic plan is to focus the discussion around a couple dreaming topics. I have a link posted below leading to the #DVA Class Topics. If you would like, please add your idea in this thread(especially if you think you might make it Sunday)! Repeats are welcome as that will help determine which topics are more popular.

#DVA Class Topics

My role and hopefully another facilitator's will be to provide a sufficient content structure(topics) along with focus and continuity(staying on topic) during the chat discussion.


The class will theoretically run an hour long and depending on response, will be split into multiple chucks of time per each topic feedback. We will also do our best to provide some time afterwards for any additional questions.

So Come Chat! Share your ideas, learns something new, lurk in the shadows! Most of all, respond with those chat topics!


Thanks Guys!
And thanks Ophelia for giving me Unholy Powers of Darkness!

My Topic Suggestion is: Pre-Sleep and Post-Sleep practices

From Paigeyemps

[23:40:16] <@paigeyemps> Chimpertainment: how to fall asleep faster/tips and tricks

Sounds good! I look forward to reading the logs

Dream ability defects.

Example: slow movement and how to counter it

Hmm, interested to read about how other's fall asleep more easily. I'll try to be there live if I'm home

Chat begins in 1 hour for anyone who would like to join at #DVA in chat!

Here is the chat log for DVA Chat Sunday 6-23-2013

good times!

Thanks for coming everybody! I am hoping to make DVA chat a regular occurrence so be looking for more chat times in the future!

Spoiler for DVA Chat Log:

[11:58:49] <@Chimpertainment> !topic cheese crackers
[11:58:49] <Demonbot> Chimpertainment: topic [<channel>]
[11:59:21] <+Pennyroyal> Aw yea
[11:59:25] <@Chimpertainment> I dont know how to change topic so ill just write itin
[11:59:55] <+Pennyroyal> xD
[12:00:30] <@Chimpertainment> mmmk
[12:00:38] <@Chimpertainment> So first topic of the day will be::::::
[12:00:52] <+Pennyroyal> cheese crackers?
[12:00:56] <PostScript99> lol
[12:01:03] <@Chimpertainment> lol
[12:01:07] <+Pennyroyal>
[12:01:09] <@Chimpertainment> yes, that was the appetizer
[12:01:12] <+Pennyroyal> hahaha
[12:01:29] <@Chimpertainment> well lets just begin with your topic suggestion Pennyroyal
[12:01:32] <@Chimpertainment> (interested to read about how other's fall asleep more easily. I'll try to be there live if I'm home)
[12:01:44] <@Chimpertainment> falling asleep more easily
[12:01:45] <+Pennyroyal> Right on
[12:02:00] <PostScript99> ok
[12:02:03] <@Chimpertainment> !ping everyone
[12:02:03] <Demonbot> pong
[12:02:16] <%Lucidis>
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[12:02:22] <+Pennyroyal> Pingpong
[12:02:42] <@Chimpertainment> so, have you been having issues falling asleep Pennyroyal, or its just something you want more info on?
[12:03:30] <+Pennyroyal> Just more info really, I've been practicing Lucid dreaming for 5-6 months now. Before, I would fall asleep without even remembering my head hitting the pillow
[12:03:42] <+Pennyroyal> now it's not difficult, but it seems to take me a bit of time to fall asleep
[12:03:51] <@Chimpertainment> ahh, okie dokie
[12:04:01] <PostScript99> i have insomnia
[12:04:02] <+Pennyroyal> I've also been playing with WILD recently, I find I have difficulty falling asleep during those attempts.
[12:04:11] <PostScript99> so thats really a problem with me.
[12:04:18] <+Pennyroyal> ^
[12:04:19] <+Pennyroyal> There ya go
[12:04:20] <@Chimpertainment> this ties in with the other suggested topics as well::::how to fall asleep faster/tips and tricks---and pre/post sleep practices...
[12:04:28] <+Pennyroyal> Cool
[12:04:44] <noeul55> I need motivation for LD. I want to LD in the day but when night comes
[12:04:48] <noeul55> Im like: Next nixt
[12:04:49] <noeul55> :/
[12:04:50] <noeul55> night*
[12:04:58] <PostScript99> napping
[12:05:08] <noeul55> I cant have a LD while nap
[12:05:10] <PostScript99> unless you cant nap like me
[12:05:10] <noeul55> :/
[12:05:18] <PostScript99> then you lucid daydream
[12:05:22] <noeul55> Wut is that
[12:05:42] <@Chimpertainment> so what does everybody usually do before going to sleep? anything like reading dream journals, mantras, that kind of thing?
[12:05:44] <%Lucidis> maybe try a mantra during the day that will motivate you to do it during the night
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[12:05:55] <%Lucidis> hello Hathor28
[12:05:57] <Hathor28> okay
[12:05:59] <Hathor28> so
[12:06:07] <PostScript99> There's a thread on general lucid discussion that talks about lucid day dreaming
[12:06:16] <+Pennyroyal> I usually do my DJ stuff before bed. Ill start an entry for the following morning, write how far along in my goals for the month i am etc.
[12:06:21] <Hathor28> lucid what?
[12:06:25] <PostScript99> daydreaming
[12:06:28] <%Lucidis> daydreaming hathor
[12:06:30] <Hathor28> ik
[12:06:38] <%Lucidis> then why did you ask
[12:06:46] <Hathor28> daydreaming in dreams?
[12:06:46] <PostScript99> I read my DJ and play video games before bed
[12:06:53] <@Chimpertainment> mmk
[12:06:54] <PostScript99> no ldd is way different
[12:07:00] <@Chimpertainment> cool beans
[12:07:17] <Hathor28> how different
[12:07:20] <PostScript99> its more of controlled hallucinations through daydreams
[12:07:25] <%Lucidis> lucid daydreaming = daydreaming with awareness
[12:07:31] <+Pennyroyal> o.O
[12:07:38] <+Pennyroyal> A little off topic are we?
[12:07:42] <@Chimpertainment> One basic thing that can help pre-sleep anything is to create a mental boundary between your day and your sleep...
[12:07:42] <PostScript99> a little
[12:07:49] <%Lucidis> the topic is unknown
[12:07:56] <Hathor28> does meditation help?
[12:07:58] <@Chimpertainment> its all good, everything ties in
[12:08:02] <%Lucidis> Hathor28: yes
[12:08:08] <@Chimpertainment> The topic is
[12:08:15] <Hathor28> ok then i might be doing it ldd
[12:08:19] <noeul55> lucid daydreaming = daydreaming with awareness
[12:08:22] <noeul55> Wut is that
[12:08:23] <noeul55> :/
[12:08:24] <@Chimpertainment> pre/post sleep practices...falling asleep better/faster
[12:08:27] <+Pennyroyal> ^
[12:08:53] <noeul55> I sleep fast when
[12:08:54] <%Lucidis> noeul55: i don't know how to explain it any further
[12:08:55] <@Chimpertainment> we can talk about lucid daydreaming as well...but lets leave it be for a moment
[12:08:58] <noeul55> I think about something I like.
[12:09:03] <%Lucidis> it's two words
[12:09:07] <%Lucidis> lucid daydream
[12:09:09] <%Lucidis>
[12:09:18] <@Chimpertainment> so give me some ideas...
[12:09:29] <@Chimpertainment> how could somebody create a mental boundary when they go to sleep
[12:09:33] <Hathor28> i think ldd leads to dreaming when in a sleep state
[12:09:41] <@Chimpertainment> a way to tell the mind its time to sleep, and dream
[12:10:00] <@Chimpertainment> we have reading dream journals
[12:10:05] drunkanieb [[email protected]] has changed topic to "pre/post sleep practices and falling asleep faster/better"
[12:10:06] <@Chimpertainment> playing video games
[12:10:08] <%Lucidis> mantras
[12:10:10] <%Lucidis> hypnosis
[12:10:15] <@Chimpertainment> thnx drunkanieb
[12:10:18] <@drunkanieb>
[12:10:21] <%Lucidis> not staring at a screen for an hour before bed
[12:10:31] <Hathor28> meditation makes you sleep fast
[12:11:13] <@Chimpertainment> so there is one thing that might be effecting your sleep PostScript99...video games do help dream awareness, but at the same time the brightness of the screen can be a hinderance as well
[12:11:41] <@Chimpertainment> my personal falling asleep practice is relaxation
[12:12:00] <@Chimpertainment> if i really cant sleep, i flex every muscle in my body individually as hard as possible
[12:12:05] <+Pennyroyal> What do you do to relax?
[12:12:11] <+Pennyroyal> lol
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[12:12:14] <+Pennyroyal> too slow
[12:12:18] <@Chimpertainment> then i focus on relaxing each muscle as well
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[12:12:30] <Hathor28> hello
[12:12:31] <@Chimpertainment> then switch to my preferred sleeping position
[12:12:48] <@Chimpertainment> another thing i have used
[12:12:51] <@Chimpertainment> is white noise
[12:12:52] <+Pennyroyal> You do your relaxation exercises on your back, I'm assuming?
[12:12:52] <@Chimpertainment> music
[12:12:57] <@Chimpertainment> yeah
[12:13:04] <Hathor28> relaxing music
[12:13:27] <@Chimpertainment> yes, although depending on the person death metal could work too
[12:13:29] <Hathor28> like spa music
[12:13:33] <+Pennyroyal>
[12:14:02] <@Chimpertainment> well what else can put somebody into that relaxed state for sleep?
[12:14:05] <@Chimpertainment> ive heard tea works
[12:14:12] <@drunkanieb> milk
[12:14:22] <Hathor28> na i need like asian spa ,music
[12:14:37] <+Pennyroyal> Sometimes a hot shower before bed helps me sleep lol
[12:14:51] <@Chimpertainment> cool cool
[12:15:03] <@Chimpertainment> what abut a hot towel on the face?
[12:15:13] <@Chimpertainment> not so time consuming and easy to use in bed
[12:15:22] <+Pennyroyal> Hmm, hadn't thought about that
[12:15:32] <@Chimpertainment> just throwin things out there
[12:15:40] <+Pennyroyal> For me, the shower just gets all my muscles relaxed, and i find it easy to drift. Not so much the temperature
[12:15:49] <@Chimpertainment> ah ok
[12:15:56] <%Lucidis> maybe start practicing yoga
[12:16:01] <%Lucidis> somehow i feel like that would help
[12:16:11] <+Pennyroyal> Yoga is actually fantastic for relaxation
[12:16:13] <@Chimpertainment> yea
[12:16:13] <+Pennyroyal> at least for me.
[12:16:24] <@drunkanieb> Chimpertainment
[12:16:25] <@Chimpertainment> so i think we are honing in on something here, and that is muscle relaxation
[12:16:29] <@Chimpertainment> yes drunkanieb
[12:16:34] <+Pennyroyal> It was a part of a weekly exercise program I was doing. I didn't like it at first -- but i felt SO relaxed after. It became my favorite
[12:16:51] <@drunkanieb> I'm going afk for a bit but you can type /topic and your words to change the topic
[12:17:01] <@Chimpertainment> sweet, thnx!
[12:17:12] cheese: No such nick/channel
[12:17:22] dva: No such nick/channel
[12:17:34] Chimpertainment [[email protected]] has changed topic to "cheese crackers!"
[12:17:40] <@Chimpertainment> yay
[12:17:50] <@Chimpertainment> anyways
[12:18:08] <@Chimpertainment> muscle relaxation
[12:19:06] <noeul55> Man
[12:19:15] <noeul55> I hate when I suddenly get into the transition aware
[12:19:18] <noeul55> when I dont want to.
[12:19:21] <@Chimpertainment> we have mental practices like (hypnosis, mantras, visualizations), physical practices like (muscle tightening/loosening, taking showers) and combinations of the two (yoga, meditation)
[12:19:59] <@Chimpertainment> anybody wanna add anything else?
[12:20:16] <noeul55> No.
[12:20:31] <Hathor28> maybe tiring yourself out lol
[12:20:35] <noeul55> oh
[12:20:37] <noeul55> ASMR
[12:20:41] <Hathor28> ?
[12:20:54] <noeul55> When you get much attention
[12:20:55] <Hathor28> whats that
[12:20:56] <noeul55> from a person
[12:20:59] <noeul55> I mean
[12:21:02] <noeul55> SEARCH ON INTERNET
[12:21:02] <noeul55> LOL
[12:21:05] <+Pennyroyal> o.O
[12:21:06] <noeul55> I can't explain xD
[12:21:11] <Hathor28> LOL
[12:21:21] <+Pennyroyal> Brings up random acronym - cant explain
[12:21:37] <Hathor28> asmr?
[12:21:47] <%Lucidis> !ud ASMR
[12:21:47] <Demonbot> Lucidis: "ASMR" could mean, "Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) is a physical sensation characterized by a pleasurable tingling that typically begins in the head and scalp, and often moves down the spine and through the limbs.Also known as : AIHO (Attention induced head orgasm), AIE (Attention induced euphoria), or simply 'head orgasms'/'head tingles'," or, "An acronym for “Autonomous (1 more message)
[12:21:51] <@Chimpertainment> okie dokie...well that was our only planned topic, so its free for all at this point
[12:21:55] <noeul55> braingasm.
[12:22:05] <OmkAR> i have ASMR
[12:22:09] <noeul55> ME TOO
[12:22:13] Chimpertainment [[email protected]] has changed topic to "FREE FOR ALL"
[12:22:29] <%Lucidis> oh yeah orgasms might tire you out too
[12:22:29] <noeul55> EXACTLY
[12:22:36] <noeul55> LETS TALK ABOUT LUCID DAYDREAMING
[12:22:40] <noeul55> wut is that.
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[12:22:45] <OmkAR> i had my first spinegasm couple weeks ago
[12:22:51] <OmkAR> it started pulsating
[12:22:51] <OmkAR> it was so weird
[12:22:53] <Hathor28> ok
[12:22:55] <noeul55> I get stomachgasm.
[12:22:57] <%Lucidis> well my DDA technique could also be called lucid daydreaming
[12:23:01] <noeul55> I mean
[12:23:04] <noeul55> lungs gasm
[12:23:05] <noeul55> LOL
[12:23:10] <noeul55> But sometimes stomacvhgasm too.
[12:23:13] <noeul55> stomach*
[12:23:19] <OmkAR> like butterflies?
[12:23:25] <OmkAR> but it like. . . Pulsates?
[12:23:27] <Hathor28> dda ldd
[12:23:35] <noeul55> Yeah
[12:23:36] <noeul55> It's
[12:23:38] <noeul55> beating
[12:23:38] <%Lucidis> DDA = Daydream Awareness
[12:23:41] <noeul55> Idk how to explain xD
[12:23:42] <OmkAR> neato
[12:24:13] <Hathor28> ya
[12:24:40] <Hathor28> i love my LDD feels like a waken dream
[12:24:50] <noeul55> wut is that?
[12:25:00] <Hathor28> what u wanted to discuss
[12:25:04] <Hathor28> lol
[12:25:06] <noeul55> someone explain to me How Can I have a lucid daydream?
[12:25:07] <noeul55> :/
[12:25:17] <Hathor28> lucid daydream
[12:25:35] <Hathor28> its like
[12:25:35] <@Chimpertainment> practice
[12:25:40] <@Chimpertainment> day dreaming
[12:25:44] <Hathor28> over exposed daydream
[12:25:49] <%Lucidis> noeul55: can you daydream?
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[12:25:56] <noeul55> Of course.
[12:25:57] <@Chimpertainment> there is a way to become fully immersed in a daydream...
[12:26:00] <PostScript99> what did i miss
[12:26:05] <noeul55> OHH
[12:26:05] <PostScript99> my internet died
[12:26:06] <%Lucidis> okay, now daydream while maintaining your awareness
[12:26:06] <noeul55> I GET IT
[12:26:11] <noeul55> how?
[12:26:14] <noeul55> can I mantain?
[12:26:15] <noeul55> :/ it
[12:26:17] <Hathor28> i immerse lol
[12:26:17] <@Chimpertainment> PostScript99: we switched gears to free for all
[12:26:24] <PostScript99> ok so now its ldd
[12:26:28] <%Lucidis> practice noeul55
[12:26:30] <@Chimpertainment> yeah
[12:26:31] <noeul55> Like,your body is falling asleep
[12:26:36] <noeul55> and youre in the daydream
[12:26:37] <noeul55> thing
[12:26:42] <noeul55> But It's actually a dream
[12:26:45] <@Chimpertainment> lemme summarize what you missed
[12:26:47] <noeul55> Can someone gimme a link? xD
[12:26:50] <Hathor28> i sometimes close my eyes
[12:27:42] <Hathor28> for me its like meditation
[12:27:53] <@Chimpertainment> we narrowed down most sleeping issues to relaxation, especially muscle relaxation....we brain stormed some ideas to help with pre-sleep practices which were... we have mental practices like (hypnosis, mantras, visualizations), physical practices like (muscle tightening/loosening, taking showers) and combinations of the two (yoga, meditation)
[12:28:08] <@Chimpertainment> ^^^on topic chat summary
[12:28:09] <PostScript99> okay
[12:28:15] <@Chimpertainment> now we are freeeeeee
[12:28:17] <PostScript99> http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...day-dream.html is the link to the LDD thread
[12:28:22] <Hathor28> ok
[12:28:26] <noeul55> Thank you.
[12:29:26] <@Chimpertainment> Are there any other pressing issues anybody wants to discuss?
[12:29:46] <@Chimpertainment> anything and everything is on the table..
[12:29:47] <@Chimpertainment> right now
[12:29:52] <@Chimpertainment> infinite
[12:29:52] <noeul55> I have no idea how to do it but is it easy?
[12:30:03] <PostScript99> gets easier with practice
[12:30:07] <@Chimpertainment> nothing is easy, unless you love to do that thing
[12:30:09] <noeul55> ...
[12:30:12] <PostScript99> first time is hardest
[12:30:14] <%Lucidis> noeul55: i think this is something you'll have to learn yourself
[12:30:18] <%Lucidis> just try
[12:30:37] <@Chimpertainment> go with something fun...explore where your daydream takes you...
[12:30:38] <noeul55> I dont know how.
[12:30:44] <noeul55> I just daydream?
[12:30:46] <noeul55> that's all?
[12:30:48] <PostScript99> its not as hard as everyone says it is though
[12:30:50] <noeul55> I do that every second
[12:31:28] <PostScript99> you daydream but you use it as a way to have controlled hallucinations, in a sense. It's different
[12:31:38] <PostScript99> than regular daydream
[12:31:42] <noeul55> ...
[12:31:50] <@Chimpertainment> from what I understand on that practice, the point is to daydream something while producing a sense of lucidity
[12:31:54] <@Chimpertainment> of that*
[12:31:55] <OmkAR> how clear is it though
[12:31:59] <PostScript99> Very clear
[12:32:11] <PostScript99> like LD, but not as...substantial
[12:32:21] <OmkAR> can you layout a chessboard and places the peices, and they will hold their positions by themselves, without you needing to memorize the layout?
[12:32:26] <@Chimpertainment> ive tried a few times, and after a while it morphs into a fully immersive experience
[12:32:33] <PostScript99> ^
[12:32:34] <@Chimpertainment> oh not this again omkar
[12:32:41] <%Lucidis> i guess people have different interpretations of daydreaming
[12:32:44] <OmkAR> yes,, THIS AGAIN
[12:32:49] <OmkAR> lol
[12:32:50] <noeul55> So I daydream
[12:32:50] <%Lucidis> i refuse to do this again
[12:32:50] <@Chimpertainment> nopre
[12:32:52] <noeul55> but like
[12:32:53] <@Chimpertainment> not this time
[12:32:55] <noeul55> very clear?
[12:33:06] <noeul55> And try to get immersed into that daydream?
[12:33:06] <PostScript99> no idea whats going on now
[12:33:09] <PostScript99> yes
[12:33:17] <@Chimpertainment> well think about what you do in regular dreams
[12:33:20] <@Chimpertainment> in a lucid dream
[12:33:26] <noeul55> Oh
[12:33:27] <@Chimpertainment> just reproduce that in a daydream
[12:33:28] <noeul55> Good.
[12:33:30] <noeul55> Okay.
[12:33:36] <noeul55> And I will somehow
[12:33:38] <PostScript99> dont expect it to be the same
[12:33:38] <noeul55> appear in it or wut?
[12:33:39] <noeul55> xD
[12:33:42] <OmkAR> my regular lucid dreams are as solid as waking life, you can place objects in positoins, and they will hold
[12:33:54] <OmkAR> even if you look away, when you lookback, it will be in the exact same position,
[12:33:59] <PostScript99> not here, they shift with your wandering mind, it takes some discipline
[12:34:10] <PostScript99> to hold a solid image
[12:34:16] <OmkAR> just like if i was to balance a pencil on the edge of my desk now, leave the room, and come back, and the pencil will still be balanced there
[12:35:14] <PostScript99> its a daydream, enough said
[12:35:22] <Hathor28> can one put their ldd in a LD?
[12:35:28] <PostScript99> Yes I have
[12:35:30] <Hathor28> i think so
[12:35:34] <noeul55> so you somehow get into the dream
[12:35:40] <noeul55> wut about your body?
[12:35:45] <noeul55> he's falling asleep?
[12:35:48] <PostScript99> I did it in a NLD once
[12:36:05] <@Chimpertainment> noeul55: have you heard of dream incubation?
[12:36:06] <Hathor28> i think i am dreaming of my daydreams XD
[12:36:13] <noeul55> Yup.
[12:36:15] <Hathor28> fragment-wise
[12:36:48] <@Chimpertainment> thats basically what ldd can be...its a way to produce a familiarity with your dreamscape
[12:36:52] <noeul55> Dream incubation seems hard for me.
[12:36:54] <@Chimpertainment> and up your chances of becoming lucid
[12:37:10] <@Chimpertainment> all you do is imagine a scene, and yourself becoming lucid
[12:37:16] <@Chimpertainment> then do whatever you like
[12:37:18] <@Chimpertainment> wherever
[12:37:21] <@Chimpertainment> with whoever
[12:37:48] <Hathor28> i can tell when my dream is just part of a daydream plot i made before lol
[12:38:23] <Hathor28> and it's just like a short 2min dream
[12:40:00] <@Chimpertainment> personally on this topic
[12:40:16] <@Chimpertainment> i find lucidis' tutorial more useful than the one previously posted
[12:40:21] <@Chimpertainment> this is the link
[12:40:22] <@Chimpertainment> http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...technique.html
[12:41:09] <Hathor28> yes i do all of that lol
[12:41:10] <%Lucidis> well the one previously posted was more talking about making a daydream reach the level of a real dream
[12:41:31] <%Lucidis> mine just talks about using daydreaming to train yourself for lucid dreaming
[12:41:33] <noeul55> Thank you for being patient with such a big head like me
[12:41:34] <noeul55> XD
[12:41:52] <@Chimpertainment> seems like the same idea
[12:41:58] <Hathor28> same thing
[12:42:35] <Hathor28> or using daydream to be put in a dream lol
[12:42:39] <@Chimpertainment> no worries noeul, there are plenty of big heads around here....me included
[12:42:46] <PostScript99> heard of dda but didnt know it was pretty much the same
[12:43:17] <%Lucidis> well i did use DDA once to achieve what that other thread was talking about
[12:43:27] <@Chimpertainment> i suppose i see a difference in day dreaming for the sake of having the best day dream possible and using daydreaming to affect night dreams...
[12:43:29] <%Lucidis> i was laying in bed while daydreaming for a long time
[12:43:46] <%Lucidis> and eventually it became a real dream i think
[12:43:56] <%Lucidis> i guess it's because i immersed myself in it so much
[12:43:57] <PostScript99> happens to me a lot ^
[12:44:08] <PostScript99> but I dont think its the same
[12:44:40] <@Chimpertainment> whenever i really daydream, i get to that full immersion point and my mind freaks out...i end up jerking my body or snapping my eyes open
[12:44:45] <PostScript99> sometimes my subc tricks me by making dreams out of daydreams
[12:45:05] <PostScript99> they feel exactly the same
[12:45:20] <@Chimpertainment> ya
[12:46:44] <PostScript99> now we seem to have exhasuted
[12:46:49] <PostScript99> that topic
[12:46:50] <@Chimpertainment> indeed
[12:46:53] <PostScript99> now what
[12:46:58] <@Chimpertainment> and its been almost an hour
[12:46:58] <@Chimpertainment> well
[12:47:06] <@Chimpertainment> if anybody has another topic we can discuss
[12:47:10] <@Chimpertainment> id bbe happy to
[12:47:22] <@Chimpertainment> otherwise ima burn this mofo down
[12:47:30] <PostScript99> one more thing
[12:47:38] <@Chimpertainment> go for it
[12:47:54] <PostScript99> sometimes i feel like theres a barrier when i try to get lucid
[12:48:13] <PostScript99> and when I do its really a forceful entry and i feel like im blasting my way through a brick wall
[12:48:17] <PostScript99> normal?
[12:48:27] <@Chimpertainment> yep
[12:48:40] <PostScript99> rlly?
[12:48:49] <@Chimpertainment> that reminds me of a dream somebody had
[12:48:59] <@Chimpertainment> they re-entered their dream in a wild three times
[12:49:13] <@Chimpertainment> just by pushing it
[12:49:28] <PostScript99> no comprendo
[12:49:37] <PostScript99> pushing it?
[12:49:39] <@Chimpertainment> well
[12:49:40] <@Chimpertainment> willpower
[12:50:01] <PostScript99> thats how I used to stabilize my dreams
[12:50:01] <@Chimpertainment> basically using brute force or willpower to produce the lucidity
[12:50:22] <PostScript99> and i used to chain lucids that way until i found out there was a better way
[12:50:23] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, whatever works
[12:50:34] <PostScript99> thats basically it
[12:50:41] <@Chimpertainment> that could have to do with expectations as well
[12:51:03] <@Chimpertainment> if you expect it to be difficult, the mind could be producing resistance
[12:51:11] <PostScript99> usually its easy
[12:51:18] <@Chimpertainment> hmm
[12:51:42] <@Chimpertainment> maybe just a pocket of resistance then...
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[12:51:48] <@Chimpertainment> one thing you might try...
[12:51:57] <PostScript99> it always happens on long micro wbtb chains
[12:52:02] <@Chimpertainment> if you are forcing the lucidity, chances are you already have some bit of awareness
[12:52:09] <@Chimpertainment> ah
[12:52:30] <@Chimpertainment> yea, so just relaxing, and focusing your awareness inwardly will probably work
[12:52:42] <PostScript99> oh ok
[12:53:04] <@Chimpertainment> the dream is you...so using any understanding or expectation of external control will make it harder
[12:53:20] <@Chimpertainment> it can be done
[12:53:26] <PostScript99> well bye everyone im off to the forums
[12:53:30] <@Chimpertainment> but in my experience, the mind continues to up the resistance
[12:53:33] <@Chimpertainment> okie dokie
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[12:53:40] <@Chimpertainment> well thanks for coming peoples
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