Have any other newbies here ever tried to induce an OOB. I have reached the "Numbness" of body feeling, and then seen what looks like the fuzziness of a turned off tv picture (tv static) all around and then an Overwhelming "Wave of Black", surges over my body. Then I have tried "Spiralling up" but unfortunately this is as far as Iv'e been able to get. What happens next. Also, I should have asked, if Lucid Dreams are just that, ie "dreams", where does one draw the line between these an so called "realistic" Out Of Body experiences when a person "sees" his or Her body laying on the bed. I have even been tempted to purchase yet another OOB Hypnotic cd (lol).