Thread: do blind men have lucids?

cool, so we can only dream up colors that we've seen?

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*The only reason why we dream in color is because of MEMORY*



The only reason we dream with VISION is because of memory, I'd say.
If you're colourblind you're gonna see messed up colours in your dreams as well, because you EXPECT it, and its all perfectly normal to you.

cool, so we can only dream up colors that we've seen?

Or imagine.... But imagining another colour isnt really possible is it
But basicly yes you cant dream of anything you dont know, havent experienced before.

Useful information on this topis from this post:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....lind+peaople%2A


I found this sight to prove the discussion:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=33320

Why do we care if blind people dream visions. Do we just like cramming trivial stuff in our empty heads.

Because we are bored and need something controversial to discuss.

so that explained why i saw a girly kind of heart beating out at me in a dream when i was two, i didn't know what A real heart looked like.

Originally posted by padfoot
so that explained why i saw a girly kind of heart beating out at me in a dream when i was two, i didn't know what A real heart looked like.

Yup, you're right. Also, TV and books expand your imagination enormously so you'd be able to dream about cooler stuff then say people in the dark ages.

cool.

So people in the dark ages couldn't dream futuristic right cuz they had nothing to base it on right. Like movies or theories or stuff like that.

i would have to say- correct.

I think we would want to know this because we are curious. Secondly, all of these questions are relative to lucid dreaming, and that is why we are all here. Dreaming is mainly studied by communication between humans, and this is what we are doing. This is probably one of the most amazing things that humans have experienced, and I'll be damned if I can't cram my brain full of information on this topic.

i knew that all my theories weren't wrong

Originally posted by IAmCorbin
and you can do anything in a dream. Why not gain sight if your blind?

~Corbin

if a blind person can gain sight which he has never expirienced, wouldn't that mean any person can gain a totaly new sense ? ... that's a little hard to imagine

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*The only reason why we dream in color is because of MEMORY*



The only reason we dream with VISION is because of memory, I'd say.
If you're colourblind you're gonna see messed up colours in your dreams as well, because you EXPECT it, and its all perfectly normal to you.

I agree, CT...blind men 'dream' with the other 4 senses...

We should stop making assumptions and theories and such and just go ask a blind man...that would save ourselves a lot of trouble and BS....

I don't know any blind people. And not many blind people use computers.

I don't think we need to ask a blind person coz I'm here! *asks stupid question and gives stupid answer to question that has been asked*

A blind man wouldn't be able to dream sight because he has not experienced it because think of it this way if you could imagine something that you had never experienced! E.G. as you said a colour-blind person could dream in colour because the had never experienced it and their eyes would not be able to have told the brain what a colour was like so therefore they would dream in greyscale type thingy. So there fore a blind person could not dream with sight included just the other four senses(and if he had a sixth sense then he could use that one too)

It would be his 5th sense if he was blind.

Exactly! See now everyone's happy with what I said it's finished and I was right for once (or maybe the second time) so is everyone happy with what I said?

interesting topic.

Originally posted by Finde
... and their eyes would not be able to have told the brain what a colour was like ...

although i've never felt so inclined so as to research this, i'd like to present my own, ignorant, dissenting view. personally i don't believe the brain is so dependent on the eyes that it needs them to "tell it about colour"; i believe the brain is crafted in such a way that it can readily discern colour on its own, with or w/o cooperation from the eyes. it's our brain that processes the images we see...not the eyes; they merely send the signals to the brain. thus, i submit that it is entirely possible for a colour blind (or completely blind) person to dream in colour. i'd imagine, however, that the colours would not be distributed in any realistic way, as that much i'm sure would require at least a glimpse of what the real world resembles.

moving along with the subject of the blind dreaming... my dog had a puppy about a month ago, and i noticed her dreaming a few days after she was born. for those of you who don't know, puppies are naturally blind (and deaf) for the first couple of weeks--their eyelids remain shut while their eyes continue developing. she was very clearly dreaming: she was on her back, making small wimpering and tiny yipping noises while her body shook lightly, and her little legs kicked. thus, something that had never seen anything in the world--nor had really any experience at all (save for being in the womb) and lacked the capability to conceptualize just about anything that could possibly exist--was actually dreaming about something. she of course wasn't bereft of any sensations though, since she could smell and feel, so i'd imagine those two senses played a part in her dreams, perhaps also with various visual flashes that her brain 'could see.'

Wow!!!! Ice that is truly an interesting story!!! That might contradict most of the things that have been said throughout the whole conversation. If that is true, that is really amazing...

Evanescent: I said ask a blind person, not ask a blind person over the internet. You know you can actually related to people in other ways that aren't through a computer or a tv, you know?

Really...........I never knew that....Anyways i was just kidding.

Ok, I'm sorry I'm going to do this but I have to broaden the topic, at the moment people say dreams happen in the subconsious of a persons mind based on their experiences....try to keep an open mind for this comment now, what if it isn't created in your subconsious but only amplified there, what if they are thoughts/memories from past lives, or images and suggestions from higher "thingies" I'm not sure of a word appropriate for there. I remember reading an article on a website and the author believed we dreamt not in our minds but on a higher level of thinking, that links everyone (which can also help explain a little of shared dreams I think). I'm not sure what I am trying to say but I guessed its based on, If you can't do it in life, it doesn't mean you can't do it in dreams, I can't levitate in life, how can I feel what levitation is like in dreams, my mind creates the feeling, then can't the mind create a certain level of sight?
I have probally stated the whole thread in one post so ignore me if you find it repetative.

Think about levitating right now. Imagine it. How could you know? You cant. How can people in medieval times know? They can hardly imagine... You got a TV, and books. You DO KNOW. And you can imagine how.
Sorry to say, but I really do think all the higher plane things is bullcrap. I know some people believe otherwise, and I dont want to offend them or something, but it just doesnt make sense (IMO). Furthermore, I know how tricky your imagination can be in dreams, and if you think that some things 'might be true' they just might come true, in your imagination. If you dont know that your brain can trick you into believing those things, you might just think it IS real (Also talking about OBE's and people reading books about it etc and then everything happens as described, and perpetuate the lies). Another example is you're uncertain, and you think about a scary thing, and hey, there it appears... Easy mistakes to make, everything you can imagine is possible in an LD. And its hard to find out what is the truth and what is not.

whats stoping you from seeing a color you never saw before?[/b]

indeed; and this is moot unless you've seen one.

however, it is entirely reasonable for a blind person to have adequate spatial reasoning sense for a flying dream. the brain would map the remaining senses such as sound, heat, uprightness.. especially for ppl who swim for instance.