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      Howie since I take your advice very highly, I'd like to know how you deal with SP. Are you able to "set your self free". I just mean in a physical matter, not metaphyically. I'm wondering if theres any physical way, or actions/thoughts to get past it; or do you just have to be patient until it passes.

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      thanks for posting this Howie. All this years, My friends told me stuffs like
      You are both very welcome. I'm just glad people can understand what this is.
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      Quote Originally Posted by phoenelai View Post
      Howie since I take your advice very highly, I'd like to know how you deal with SP. Are you able to "set your self free". I just mean in a physical matter, not metaphyically. I'm wondering if theres any physical way, or actions/thoughts to get past it; or do you just have to be patient until it passes.

      Many thanks!
      I have never been able to snap myself free on my own will. So I just ride it out.
      What I have done is just make an attempt at going back to sleep. It seems you quickly enter the REM stage and can in effect make a WOLD out of the SP.
      Just relax yourself and reassure that this is only sleep paralysis. You can think coherently so you can follow the induction techniques such as HIT, WILD, Mnemonic methods or maybe your own.

      Let me know if you have any success.

      Some people have claimed they have experienced OBEs directly from SP. I have not been able to do this. I don't know what methods to follow.

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      Okay will do, thanks again!
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      PROTIP: To break out of SP, try to move your big toe on either of your feet.

      Many, many have reported this as being very effective. By concentrating awareness, you can eventually force the paralysis to end, and your whole body will be freed. Also, according to some theories about OBEs, SP is the result of your subtle body leaving your real body. Look into that if you seem interested, as I could talk/type about it forever.

      EDIT: About entering an OBE from SP: It is VERY hard to do, and arguably impossible, because of the nature of SP I explained above.
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      Quote Originally Posted by erik212 View Post
      PROTIP: To break out of SP, try to move your big toe on either of your feet.

      Many, many have reported this as being very effective. By concentrating awareness, you can eventually force the paralysis to end, and your whole body will be freed. Also, according to some theories about OBEs, SP is the result of your subtle body leaving your real body. Look into that if you seem interested, as I could talk/type about it forever.

      EDIT: About entering an OBE from SP: It is VERY hard to do, and arguably impossible, because of the nature of SP I explained above.

      Focusing on any one part of your body would work possibly then, no?

      The OBE experiences I have had just happened. They were not something that I ever had done on purpose.
      I feel that these too have a scientific explanation. I say this because of the ones I have had. It just merely seems that my mind is not signalling a connection to it's own body. I have not had enough experience with them to be any authority on OBEs that is for sure.
      Do you feel that it can be practiced like lucid dreaming?

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      Quote Originally Posted by erik212 View Post
      PROTIP: To break out of SP, try to move your big toe on either of your feet.
      First thing I thought of upon reading this?
      "Wiggle your big toe," Kill Bill, haha classic.

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      howie do you live in Australia ,

      I think I know you~!

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      Quote Originally Posted by ldseeker View Post
      howie do you live in Australia ,

      I think I know you~!
      What makes you think you know me?

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      Toes, especially your big one, work best because, for some unknown reason, the big toe is the easiest body part to reanimate. I'd assume that any other part would be less effective.

      Lucid dreaming can certainly help with OBEs, more specifically conscience-exit OBEs. WILD helps with the relaxation and exit, while dream recall helps recollect the memories of the OBE. PM me anytime with any questions or anything you'd like to talk about.
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      Wow, last night was the first time I got out SP due to dream character assitance. This was pretty cool, check out last entry in DJ

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      Quote Originally Posted by phoenelai View Post
      Wow, last night was the first time I got out SP due to dream character assitance. This was pretty cool, check out last entry in DJ
      Nice phoenelai!! If in fact you had some control. Your waking mind in a dream consciously reacting and communicating to your subconscious. This does not seem that outlandish to me. If this is the case then it may very well be a conscious possibility to rid oneself of sleep paralysis.

      I mean really!?!? If this is the case then it should be looked into further.

      I can't help but disagree with you erik212. I have heard many things that people say they can or cannot use or do in lucid dreams for multiple purposes and reasons. Why the Big toe? IMHO it is not for some "unknown reason". There is always a reason. The reason is because it has worked for somebody else and that in turn gives the next dreamer confidence that this very same process would work. What I mean by that is, if a lucid dreamer had approached another lucid dreamer and told them that it is your thumb that you move that frees you from SP, then that may very well work. A placebo in one sense. It turns out that this entire method is subjective in nature but carries over into other's psyche to make it a "way." When truly all you need is confidence in any given situation.
      If you believe that it will work then our mind makes it so. As it should. Our mind has control over our bodies and if we have confidence in that, then we could do and achieve a lot more things in life and in dreaming.

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      If I was in an SP state... Will I wake up if someone else wakes me up?

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      All this talk of the "Old Hag" reminds me of Thief: Deadly Shadows. (If you've played the game you'll know what I'm talking about... otherwise, look it up and read about the plot.)

      Now that I think of it, the entire game takes place at night...
      And in one part, you enter the memories (dreams?) of some spirits...
      And the game does have a kind of surreal, dreamy quality to it...

      Interesting... very interesting...

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