Thread: PARALYSIS!!!!! Scared? read this

Hah, so that's what the old hag is.

Originally Posted by Ryan Macaroni

Hah, so that's what the old hag is.

I have heard the term "old hag" used for a number of things. To no surprise they are all scary experiences.

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Thanks Howie! I only seem to get these (SP) when trying to use Choline and Galantamind. My attempt the other night was brought on with SP and loud static noises. SP usually scares me, but I need some insight on how to relax and use this to cross over to Lucids if anyone know. Please send link to thread, I think this could help. I'm good at using HI's and WILDS to cross over to lucids but usually do not get the SP that comes with it so I don't have any experience with it and how to use it to my advantage.

Many thanks all!

Good info.

Why is SP referred to as the "old hag"?

I only know of one other experience reffered to as the "old hag".

Originally Posted by Misbijoux

Good info.

Why is SP referred to as the "old hag"?

I only know of one other experience reffered to as the "old hag".

It was an old myth that people referred to as a feeling when you couldn't move in SP. Like theres a witch sitting on your chest and you are at her mercy!

A hag, or "the Old Hag", was a nightmare spirit in British and Anglophone North American folklore. This variety of hag is essentially identical to the Anglo-Saxon mæra — a being with roots in ancient Germanic superstition, and closely related to the Scandinavian mara. According to folklore, the Old Hag sat on a sleeper's chest and sent nightmares to him or her. When the subject awoke, he or she would be unable to breathe or even move for a short period of time. Currently this state is called sleep paralysis, but in the old belief the subject had been "hagridden".[5] It is still frequently discussed as if it were a paranormal state.[6]

Originally Posted by phoenelai

t was an old myth that people referred to as a feeling when you couldn't move in SP. Like theres a witch sitting on your chest and you are at her mercy!

Oh, okay, makes sense.

Yeah. When you find yourself in SP you're confused and obviously afraid (if uneducated or unprepared). In that state of terror your imagination runs wild and you start seeing things like monsters, witches, aliens...

I believe that you're responsible for their appearance, since I had a WILD once where I was expecting an old hag. For a few second a witch actually apeared, but it was a lame Disney version, so I stopped being afraid and just kept on going. It dissapeared shortly after. In the old days witches, deamons, angels were the main explanation for these things due to the religious nature of their culture. These days we also have aliens, so some people think they are being obducted when it happens.

What you need to remember is that if you ever find yourself in a similar situation just have fun and remember that it's nothing to be afraid of.

Originally Posted by silicovolcaniosis

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an attempt to go off-topic gets completely dominated.

Oh, and for the sake of not being a hypocrite, Sleep Paralysis is overhyped as a scary deal. It's very very exhilirating.. it all depends on how you take new and uncertain things...

Originally Posted by AmazeO XD

an attempt to go off-topic gets completely dominated.

Oh, and for the sake of not being a hypocrite, Sleep Paralysis is overhyped as a scary deal. It's very very exhilirating.. it all depends on how you take new and uncertain things...

So true.
As phoenelai noted, it is a very good time and opportunity stage to cross over into another state of consciousness.

I see so many members bewildered by SP and see how scared they get because they have no idea what is going on. I think we all may have been there at one point.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Yeah. When you find yourself in SP you're confused and obviously afraid (if uneducated or unprepared). In that state of terror your imagination runs wild and you start seeing things like monsters, witches, aliens..

It is all but impossible to explain these events as something physical. Many are convinced that a paranormal experience has taken place.
Well said bonsay.

Originally Posted by Howie

So true.
As phoenelai noted, it is a very good time and opportunity stage to cross over into another state of consciousness.

I see so many members bewildered by SP and see how scared they get because they have no idea what is going on. I think we all may have been there at one point.


It is all but impossible to explain these events as something physical. Many are convinced that a paranormal experience has taken place.
Well said bonsay.

Yeah, I'm open to many things; although I agree there's usually physical attributes causing the experience (I mean there would have to be right; we're human and our bodies do certain physical functions). Even if I didn't believe in Astral Projection; there's has to be away to transfer from this "frozen state" into a lucid dream. With that being said...I know there's something taking place in the brain (physical action). I'm reading this book called Dreaming Souls; it's the mechanics of dreaming (a bit technical) and I'm learning some great stuff; highly recommended!!! A+

I always thought there should be some sort of permanent write up on sleep paralysis in the tutorials section. Maybe with some of that fancy science lingo. I can't even type GABA without giggling.

Howie, I've been trying to figure out where those vibrations you feel come from. I've always thought there must be some explanation for them, because they are similar to the common side effects of spinal injury, nerve damage, and overdoses of medications/supplements that effect your nervous system. Have you ever seen anything on this?

EDIT: Nevermind. I guess there already is a write up on sleep paralysis in the tutorials section. It just doesn't explain whats going on very much. Interesting...

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I always thought there should be some sort of permanent write up on sleep paralysis in the tutorials section. Maybe with some of that fancy science lingo. I can't even type GABA without giggling.

Howie, I've been trying to figure out where those vibrations you feel come from. I've always thought there must be some explanation for them, because they are similar to the common side effects of spinal injury, nerve damage, and overdoses of medications/supplements that effect your nervous system. Have you ever seen anything on this?

EDIT: Nevermind. I guess there already is a write up on sleep paralysis in the tutorials section. It just doesn't explain whats going on very much. Interesting...

That Tutorial is merely subjective. This thread was going to be a tutorial. I hope it still does. I think it sheds some light on some of the vague ideas about SP Robot, I could only speculate on the vibrations and give you a my own idea of whats going on. I am not that well educated on that though. Good thing for me to find out.

Originally Posted by Howie

SP - Sleep Paralysis explained
Sleep paralysis or (SP) sometimes referred to as the old hag, has many myths and misconceptions. Because the majority of us do not understand the science behind what sleep paralysis is, SP has long been frightening to many lucid dreaming advocates and non advocates alike. I would like to apply some facts that we do know to make SP less of a mystery.
SP is a subjective experience to us all, a great example of this is irish cream's Sleep Paralysis Tutorial.
A physiological event Through dedicated study, research and the advent of new brain imaging techniques we can attribute sleep paralysis to an actual physiological event. (FMRI) Functional magnetic resonance imaging measures the haemodynamic response related to neural activity in the brain or spinal cord of humans or other animals. It is one of the most recently developed forms of neuroimaging. (PET) Positron emission Tomography

Sleep paralysis consists of a period of inability to perform voluntary movements either at sleep onset (called hypnagogic or predormital form) or upon awakening (called hypnopompic or postdormtal form). In both cases this is during a (NREM) or non- rapid eye movement. *This explains why these events happen to us directly before we fall asleep or directly after we awake.

What are the symptoms? A complaint of inability to move the trunk or limbs at sleep onset or upon awakening Presence of brief episodes of partial or complete skeletal muscle paralysis Episodes can be associated with hypnagogic hallucinations, hynogogic imagery or dream-like mentation. Cause The brain's physiological mechanism during normal sleep sends a message via what is called (GABA) gamma aminobutyric acid which acts to inhibit the activity of the brain's motor system. Some of my own views associated with SP and Lucid dreaming. SP is an action or lack there of. It is a cause and effect. Because of this, some may NEVER experience SP. Although subjective I believe some feel that they can induce SP, possibly they can manipulate the "state of being" to such a degree. It is my belief that it is our endeavours to lucid dream and to become aware at dreaming intervals that puts US in a good scenario for SP to happen rather than us creating SP. I guess that is neither here nor there. I do think it is important to NOT associate SP with the success or even the means or signs of Lucidity. As we fall asleep our motor functions are shut down as we enter a rapid eye movement period. All but our eyes. Hence, rapid EYE movement or (REM). The movement of our eyes follow that of the movement in our dreams. The rest of us is paralyzed, this in effect prohibits us from flailing around in our sleep. As we awake from a dream state there are times that we awake before our brain conveys a message to turn our motor skills back on. So we lay there, aware but unable to move. (this is why it should not be scary) SP can last from moments to minutes. There are always variables. When our system fails to relay this message there are cases in which we do jump around in our sleep, mumble or in severe cases sleep walk. Just realize it is no gauge to which lucidity is judged by.

thanks for posting this Howie. All this years, My friends told me stuffs like :
-Oh my god, your house is haunted. *and yet you guys still come over for poker every Saturday night*
-Your house is not clean, there's evil spirits in there. *I think so too *
-They want you to feel how it is like being dead in a coffin *ohh, thanks for sharing!*
-Maybe some dead hot chick was riding ya? *hell yeah! But won't that be...ughh*
-I think you have AIDS *a-hem?*
-haha. Sorry man. You've been a great friend. *What a friend I have*

until my dad showed me an article bout it. but I didn't really read on it. thanks for posting it up =) For some reasons, whenever Sleep Paralysis comes to me, I can never get use to it. I can feel it coming, and yet I can be so unprepared. When it comes, I'll always be scared for the first few seconds, then relax for a bit and I'm free to move after that xD

I'm glad that I'm not alone =) I thought SP would only come when one stresses too much.

Howie since I take your advice very highly, I'd like to know how you deal with SP. Are you able to "set your self free". I just mean in a physical matter, not metaphyically. I'm wondering if theres any physical way, or actions/thoughts to get past it; or do you just have to be patient until it passes.

Many thanks!

thanks for posting this Howie. All this years, My friends told me stuffs like

You are both very welcome. I'm just glad people can understand what this is.
However, your house may not be clean.

Originally Posted by phoenelai

Howie since I take your advice very highly, I'd like to know how you deal with SP. Are you able to "set your self free". I just mean in a physical matter, not metaphyically. I'm wondering if theres any physical way, or actions/thoughts to get past it; or do you just have to be patient until it passes.

Many thanks!

I have never been able to snap myself free on my own will. So I just ride it out.
What I have done is just make an attempt at going back to sleep. It seems you quickly enter the REM stage and can in effect make a WOLD out of the SP.
Just relax yourself and reassure that this is only sleep paralysis. You can think coherently so you can follow the induction techniques such as HIT, WILD, Mnemonic methods or maybe your own.

Let me know if you have any success.

Some people have claimed they have experienced OBEs directly from SP. I have not been able to do this. I don't know what methods to follow.

Okay will do, thanks again!

PROTIP: To break out of SP, try to move your big toe on either of your feet.

Many, many have reported this as being very effective. By concentrating awareness, you can eventually force the paralysis to end, and your whole body will be freed. Also, according to some theories about OBEs, SP is the result of your subtle body leaving your real body. Look into that if you seem interested, as I could talk/type about it forever.

EDIT: About entering an OBE from SP: It is VERY hard to do, and arguably impossible, because of the nature of SP I explained above.

Originally Posted by erik212

PROTIP: To break out of SP, try to move your big toe on either of your feet.

Many, many have reported this as being very effective. By concentrating awareness, you can eventually force the paralysis to end, and your whole body will be freed. Also, according to some theories about OBEs, SP is the result of your subtle body leaving your real body. Look into that if you seem interested, as I could talk/type about it forever.

EDIT: About entering an OBE from SP: It is VERY hard to do, and arguably impossible, because of the nature of SP I explained above.

Focusing on any one part of your body would work possibly then, no?

The OBE experiences I have had just happened. They were not something that I ever had done on purpose.
I feel that these too have a scientific explanation. I say this because of the ones I have had. It just merely seems that my mind is not signalling a connection to it's own body. I have not had enough experience with them to be any authority on OBEs that is for sure.
Do you feel that it can be practiced like lucid dreaming?

Originally Posted by erik212

PROTIP: To break out of SP, try to move your big toe on either of your feet.

First thing I thought of upon reading this?
"Wiggle your big toe," Kill Bill, haha classic.

Cheers

howie do you live in Australia ,

I think I know you~!

Originally Posted by ldseeker

howie do you live in Australia ,

I think I know you~!

What makes you think you know me?

Toes, especially your big one, work best because, for some unknown reason, the big toe is the easiest body part to reanimate. I'd assume that any other part would be less effective.

Lucid dreaming can certainly help with OBEs, more specifically conscience-exit OBEs. WILD helps with the relaxation and exit, while dream recall helps recollect the memories of the OBE. PM me anytime with any questions or anything you'd like to talk about.

Wow, last night was the first time I got out SP due to dream character assitance. This was pretty cool, check out last entry in DJ