Thread: I'm new here. Hello all.

Hi welcome,! most people do indeed think dreams are only during the REM-period. This isn't correct tho, we dream through the whole night, it's just that dreams have more potential to be more vivid during REM. You actually dream all the night long.

thanks for the warm welcome =D hahaha. It occurs the whole night long? Awesome!! I had another LD last night. Well I'm not sure if It is considered as one, it suddenly came to me that I was dreaming. I'm not sure what made me realize that it was a dream, so I did a reality check by doing something that I can only do in dreams.

I was in a library with my friend, I closed my eyes and told myself "I'm going to make you disappear" When I opened my eyes, next thing I know, the chair is empty =) He completely vanished. Still, I'm not convinced, so I closed my eyes, wanting to make the chair disappear too. When I opened my eyes, true enough, the chair is gone.

So I thought "What am I doing in a library when I can be anywhere in the world I want to?" I closed my eyes, I thought of some place, which I couldn't remember, I felt the room spinning around me...and thats all I remember. I woke up, and realized that it was only 10 or 20minutes into my sleep. I then typed in my cellphone the little things I remembered. And went back to sleep =/

thats pretty much all. I woke up 5 hours later, and I can't seem to remember any other dreams.

Hello! Welcome to DV
I'm new here, too.
xx

You only REM during a few minutes every couple of hours. About twenty minutes, but they get longer toward morning.

Originally Posted by xXxmagicalyambagxXx

Hello! Welcome to DV
I'm new here, too.
xx

thanks for welcoming me. All the same to you dude.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

You only REM during a few minutes every couple of hours. About twenty minutes, but they get longer toward morning.

thanks the welcome sign's really cute
a few minutes every couple of hours? I thought it is 90minutes after you fall asleep?
So ... how do I know when is the time for my REM stage to usually occur? it differs from every individual?

If differs, but the pattern is very consistent.. Generally if your getting say 8-10 hours of sleep the best and longest phase of REM sleep is after about 5-6 hours. The reason is because the REM phases get progressively longer and longer, so you need to find the point where you can have some vivid, decent length dreams. Which will help your recall substantially.

The amount will vary depending on how much you sleep to begin with, and how regular/irregular your sleep pattern is. Best way to find your personal best is experience waking at different times on different nights, see if anything varied from night to night. How hard it was to fall back asleep, How your recall was, etc.

Also the reason you may have had a fairly vivid dream in a matter of 10-20 mins is because... making random adjustments or say waking up early, then having a nap mid way will cause an REM rebound effect, where you didn't get to finish your whole sleep cycle at night, and so when you go back to bed it kinda comes at you full force to catch up. Waking up from a dream and knowing you were dreaming is completely natural, as is becoming lucid.. however, you have to realize your dreaming while inside the dream, and be able to take control basically, like what happened in your second one to be lucid. There are plenty of stages in between to.

Vivid dreams and LD's are common for many people during brief naps, because you almost go directly into your REM at times.

Originally Posted by Shady

If differs, but the pattern is very consistent.. Generally if your getting say 8-10 hours of sleep the best and longest phase of REM sleep is after about 5-6 hours. The reason is because the REM phases get progressively longer and longer, so you need to find the point where you can have some vivid, decent length dreams. Which will help your recall substantially.

So does that mean that if a normal person were to wake up at around 5-6 hours into his/her sleep, that individual would be able to recall the latest dream then? or would he/she be able to recall all the dreams in that 5-6hours period?

Originally Posted by Shady

The amount will vary depending on how much you sleep to begin with, and how regular/irregular your sleep pattern is. Best way to find your personal best is experience waking at different times on different nights, see if anything varied from night to night. How hard it was to fall back asleep, How your recall was, etc.

My sleep pattern is really irregular, sometimes I sleep at 1am, sometimes at 2am, and occasionally at 5am, giving myself only 1 or 2 hours of sleep. Would that affect my dream recall? As in do I need enough sleep to build up a strong recall?

Originally Posted by Shady

Vivid dreams and LD's are common for many people during brief naps, because you almost go directly into your REM at times.

But how does your body knows that you're gonna sleep for only a few minutes? I mean, would it be able to distinguish between a nap and a sleep?

Thanks for answering my questions =) I really appreciate it.

outa curiosity are you david? I told a friend about lucid dreaming on friday and was wondering if he made an account.

Originally Posted by Soldier

outa curiosity are you david? I told a friend about lucid dreaming on friday and was wondering if he made an account.

haha sorry =) wrong guy. Same events happening at different parts of the world huh? xD aweeesomee!!! maybe we'll die the same day too.

o well I'll keep looking

Have an ace time at DV NocturnalDreamer.

Originally Posted by Soldier

o well I'll keep looking

Won't it be easier if you just text him or something like that =D we're not dreaming now. I mean cellphone/Messengers works in reality heh. Good luck searching by the way.

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

Have an ace time at DV NocturnalDreamer.

thanks Jdeadevil =) I'm very sure I will. This is one of those forums where I know I'm gonna actually pay so much attention to =P finally, something to do throughout my holidays.

Good idea.

Welcome to Dreamviews, NocturalDreamer!

Originally Posted by Wavefunction

Welcome to Dreamviews, NocturalDreamer!

thanks Wave Function =) woah! everyone here is really friendly. Its like everyone can't wait to welcome the new comers =D once again, thanks to all that have been so nice =D

Dreamviews!

Originally Posted by NocturnalDreamer

Won't it be easier if you just text him or something like that =D we're not dreaming now. I mean cellphone/Messengers works in reality heh. Good luck searching by the way.

truth be told I just talk with him at school on occasion and tell jokes not a best friend or anything, I'll just ask him at school tomorrow. anyway back to topic.

Originally Posted by Soldier

truth be told I just talk with him at school on occasion and tell jokes not a best friend or anything, I'll just ask him at school tomorrow. anyway back to topic.

ah alright hmm what is this topic about again?
haha its more like one of those "Welcome me" post now huh =/
I'm practicing on my dream recall now hope I'll grasp it as soon as possible and I'll be able to move on. But no hurries, I've still got 76846 years to go.

Originally Posted by NocturnalDreamer

So does that mean that if a normal person were to wake up at around 5-6 hours into his/her sleep, that individual would be able to recall the latest dream then? or would he/she be able to recall all the dreams in that 5-6hours period?

To be honest it varies, I personally have problems remembering any dreams if i sleep the whole night away.. by morning I may remember the latest, but usually.. I kinda remember all of them at once? But im not able to separate the dreams, and it just leaves me in a very very hazy state, where nothing makes sense, I just cant remember enough of one for it to make sense. There have been nights where I remember a bunch at once as well, very clearly.

Originally Posted by NocturnalDreamer

My sleep pattern is really irregular, sometimes I sleep at 1am, sometimes at 2am, and occasionally at 5am, giving myself only 1 or 2 hours of sleep. Would that affect my dream recall? As in do I need enough sleep to build up a strong recall?

You dont necessarily need to get 8-10 hours of sleep every night to have vivid or lucid dreams, its just that as you sleep longer at night, the REM phases of your sleep cycle get longer as the night progresses. Each REM phase per cycle will get longer and longer, so how long you sleep has a direct effect on the length of your rem phases.

In English, each "cycle" of sleep is ~90 minutes. Its not exact, differs per person slightly, and is affected by your sleep pattern. The first four stages begin with mainly NREM sleep (Possible to dream, never as vivid as REM, harder to recall), and then the fifth one will be a short REM cycle (Usually around 10-15 mins the first time around at night). Many many people naturally have whats called a brief awakening in between each cycle, and take that time to record any dreams they can. Its also possible to wake up immediately before your REM phase, so you have a high chance of slipping into an LD soon after.

Originally Posted by NocturnalDreamer

But how does your body knows that you're gonna sleep for only a few minutes? I mean, would it be able to distinguish between a nap and a sleep?

I dont know the science behind it, but through personal experience I find that when you are very physically and mentally tired, for example at the end of a day of work and stuff, not a day where ya sit at home on your ass . Your body will naturally just want to crash at night, and its just harder to remain conscious because your just so tired. You need to sleep. Your not trying to fall asleep, your body is telling you to go to bed. On nights like this without even thinking about it the first 5-6 hours of my night are shot, if i attempt to induce a LD i fail 9/10 times because im just tired, Its to hard to keep my mind active when I naturally want to fall asleep so bad. After I do a WBTB in the middle of the night, im not near as tired as I was before, because I've still gotten the majority of my sleep.. only missing 3 hours (Which is alot, but not enough to prevent me from staying awake.)

This leaves me at a spot where I could either get up and stay up for the whole day, or go back to bed for a few hours.. either way really. This again is my personal experience. Others wont be able to get back to sleep, some wont even hear the alarm.. find your own time . Long story short if i choose to stay up, later on in the day I will have the urge to have a nap, no matter how awake I think I was earlier. My body just naturally wants to finish what it started. I have a very repetitive sleep pattern though, I rarely get less then 8 hours, or more then 10. So when I DO get more or less, my body knows it.

You dont really know your going to sleep for a few minutes, its just that often the only reason you have a nap is because you didnt get enough sleep the night before, aka interrupted your sleep cycle. I find as long as I get my 8-10 hours, I could do as much physical/mental activity as I wanted during the day and not need a nap. But if I didnt get enough sleep, I will want to lay down for a nap even if I barely move that day, I'm just tired. When you go lay down for a nap, your body doesnt need to crash like it does after a full day, but you still can fall asleep fairly easy.

Again, this usually means I will make up for the latter 2 hours of my entire sleep cycle in this nap, which is almost ALL REM sleep, a huge chunk of it anyways. Not only that, because im not as physically/mentally burnt out as I would be right before bed at night, I find it alot easier to control the transitional state. Im much more aware of whats happening mentally, but my body is still tired.

If you choose to work through the tiredness, often the next night you will have a "REM rebound" effect. Where your sleep cycle tries to catch up.

The main page for this website goes into detail on what happens in the phases of sleep.. In the end, the longer you sleep defiantly affects how much REM sleep you have. Which in turn can directly result in an increase in more lucid/vivid dreams. Its not that you dont dream outside of REM, its just much less vivid usually, which makes it alot harder to remember.

http://dreamviews.com/sleepstages.php

*Sorry bout the long reply, I dont know why this happens everytime I make a post, I just babble on and on lol..*

Hi NocturnalDreamer,
Awesome that you got a lucid dream on your first try. It sounds like you have a bit of a screwey sleep schedule. That can be a good and bad thing when it comes to dreaming.

Have you had a chance to check out the forum for Alternative Sleep Patterns?
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...splay.php?f=50

Reading around in there should either confuse the hell out of you, or give you a good idea of how your brain schedules its REM periods.

Originally Posted by Shady

*Sorry bout the long reply, I dont know why this happens everytime I make a post, I just babble on and on lol..*

Don't be sorry! I'm the one that should be apologizing for wasting your time telling me all this. You're really really experienced in Lucid Dreams aren't you?
I've scanned through what you've just typed. Haven't really read it in detail yet, will do when I have the time.

O.o thanks for replying!! really appreciate it. keep up the babbling, I mean babbling of true facts xD I'll post you a reply once I finish reading it alright =) kinda busy now. Once again, thanks for sharing!

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Hi NocturnalDreamer,
Awesome that you got a lucid dream on your first try. It sounds like you have a bit of a screwey sleep schedule. That can be a good and bad thing when it comes to dreaming.

Have you had a chance to check out the forum for Alternative Sleep Patterns?
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...splay.php?f=50

Reading around in there should either confuse the hell out of you, or give you a good idea of how your brain schedules its REM periods.

Another warm welcome from another user xD thanksss!! well, its not really my FIRST try =/ I've had lucid dreams a couple of times before this, I just didn't know what it was until I've read bout dreamviews yeah, eversince I got the computer in my room, my sleep schedule totally screwed up =P I just can't sleep early anymore! a good thing and bad thing? I hope it is the former xD

thanks for the link RobotButler! I'll read up on it as soon as I'm free =D it's 3:20am here now. I guess its time for me to go sleep now. haha. thank you so much!

Ahh I hope it'll be the latter for your last sentence =P I'll try not to confuse myself =) thanks!

Well, I wouldnt say im really really experienced, I just have had horrible recall my whole life, but since i've started I've just kind absorbed everything I have read about it, and brought it together with some personal experiences. There are plenty of people out there who know alot more then me, but I have experienced alot of problems along the way, and had a whole lot of questions to . I learned what I know from this site, so may as well share the wealth.

thanks man =) really appreciate it. the world would be a much much much much better place with 2 of the same YOU. haha. I think my biggest problem now is recalling dreams. I could even forget about the dream when something woke me up when I'm half way through the dream. It's like :
dreaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam*wakes up* tries to recall but couldn't get nuts =( how sad is that !!! haha gotta practice more then =/ Can't wait to recall at least 7 or 8 dreams a night =D alright, my exams are over. I'm gonna sleep earlier today. much earlier. and see what do i get out of it. thanks! =D

Originally Posted by NocturnalDreamer

I thought it is 90minutes after you fall asleep?
So ... how do I know when is the time for my REM stage to usually occur? it differs from every individual?

That's about right, but that's only your first of many (usually 4 or 5.) The dreams get more and more vivid as the night progresses, during that first REM cycle you will almost certainly not have a lucid dream. If you do then you probably won't remember it.

The REM cycles that you will probably have your lucids will probably be around 4am and 6am. Do you wake up in the middle of the night? Note the time, that happens AFTER your REM cycle, so if you wake up at 4:30 then your REM cycle started around 4:10.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

That's about right, but that's only your first of many (usually 4 or 5.) The dreams get more and more vivid as the night progresses, during that first REM cycle you will almost certainly not have a lucid dream. If you do then you probably won't remember it.

The REM cycles that you will probably have your lucids will probably be around 4am and 6am. Do you wake up in the middle of the night? Note the time, that happens AFTER your REM cycle, so if you wake up at 4:30 then your REM cycle started around 4:10.

well, I don't wake up through the night. I think so. Or maybe I just don't remember it. I'm a heavy sleeper. I'll sleep through even if there's a fire in my house

But I would definitely try setting alarms =D I would need 3 alarms to wake me up I think. so by using your example, should I wake up at 4:30 or before the REM period occurs at 4:10 ? my alarm should be set at 4:11am? or 4:31am