It wasn't Lucid Dreaming...

[Zaph]

After a few nights of practice with remembering my dreams, I found out I by default could remember ANY dream when I woke up. So last night, I tried to induce lucid dreaming via the traditional way, realizing you are dreaming. But when I entered the dream world, I automatically knew that there were 2 coat hangers that could make a time/space vortex and I could go anytime, anyplace. But since I KNEW i could do that, I could will myself to go anywhere, without realizing I was dreaming. I could also realize I could change my appearance, like black or white hair, tanned or pale skin, red or magenta eyes. the only catch was, I had NO idea this was a dream in my dream! So after playing around with my coat hangars, I finally woke up. The strange thing is, I could do EVERYTHING you described you could do in dream control: meet a person, change my settings, go place to place using my coat hangers. I could will everything to simply disapear. The bottom line is I could control the dream without knowing I was dreaming. Usually I just go along where I just go, I don't will myself to do anything.. Did I just do something no one has done? Please try to explain it! Thank'e much!

[Zaph]

Sorry for the bump, but this really concerns me!

[samson]

hey im new here so i dont really know what im talking about, but your dream is very interesting to me. i have always been interested in time and space. back to the future is my favorite movie (: i really want to experience one of these. maybe involving a time traveling delorean

[Zaph]

And if my coat hanger account sounds weird, most of my dreams are really, really weird like this...

[Oneironaut Zero]

Did I just do something no one has done? Well, not really. The method you used might have been different (the coat hangers), but there are many of us who have controlled dreams without actually being lucid. It is a sort of feeling where things are just "natural," no matter how metaphysical they might be. It is the type of dream where you feel "in control" of yourself, just like you do in waking life (which is actually how a majority of my non-lucid dreams feel), even when you are doing crazy, supernatural stuff. I wouldn't say it's too out of the ordinary, but there are many people who haven't experienced this type of dream, so I wouldn't exactly call it "the norm," either.

[samson]

what exactly happened it your dream? how did you use the coat hangers? where did you go? when did you go?

[JET73L]

I would say that it wasn't lucid, since it didn't even occur that you were dreaming. However, many people have dreams like this, and from what I've seen, one can more easily train themselves to notice weirdness rather than the little oddities of realistic dreaming. (That is, when they can even remember while dreaming to check). A good dream sign for you to watch out for in waking life might be this: If you see something perfectly normal, that you happen to just know is normal, just do a quick check on why it works. If the answer is "magic," or some random technobabble that seems to come outr of nowhere, it's probably a dream. Anyway, since you didn't even think that it might have been a dream, I'd have to say not a lucid. Pretty darn interesting, though.

[Zaph]

what exactly happened it your dream? how did you use the coat hangers? where did you go? when did you go? Well, I basically explored a little, went to my elementary school using the coat hangars to open up this vortex type thing. I also went to some woods where I frightened off Robin Hood and his men. Another weird thing was I met Hitler and then I woke up. As for HOW I used the coat hangers, I just pressed them togethere like this: {}; and then pulled them apart and it created this vortex type portal I walked into.

[shotbirds]

I've had dreams like these and I wouldn't say they should count as LDs either, since you're not lucid I was turning myself into bananas and water balloons and telling my friends I was in a dream, all while not being lucid :/.

[insomniacjezz]

I call this sort of thing "dream logic." It's as if in the dream world, there are rules and common knowledge that just don't exist in reality, and one's mind readily accepts these and doesn't question the state of things or the absuridity of the events happening beforeone's self, regardless of how ethereal they may seem. When I fly in dreams, it's usually in this way, in that I don't realize that it's anything special, because of course I can fly ["in this world" could go here, and would if this were a lucid dream, but with mere dream logic, you leave out this bit.]. I'd wager a guess that your ability to do this, coupled with your developing recall abilities mean that you'll be dreaming lucidly in a fairly short amount of time :-) Keep us updated!

[Zaph]

This is all helpful! Thanks! Last night I attempted WILD, and it worked is SP until my cat startled me...