Thread: Introduction + Some Questions I have

Welcome to DV!

I think to transition between SP and a dream, you just have to wait and try to immerse yourself in whatever dream scene is forming without being too pushy. I don't know; it's hard for me to describe something I've never experienced, but don't worry, I'm sure someone who knows more about WILDing will come along soon. In the meantime, I recommend reading the tutorials if you haven't already.

From SP or a relaxed state, in my experience the point is to lose your waking body, and focus on dream visuals, moving then into the feelings.

There's also not always a 'transition' when I enter dreams through WILD. With transitions following the visuals, then the speeding feeling, then the awareness of dream senses -- very like physical senses for a while.

Sometimes it happens that you are already dreaming. I find the longer the meditative period (without thoughts) is before entering, the greater the transition, instead of following the visuals more and then the greater the chance of being in the dream without consciously entering.

I suggest if you want to transition specifically, then use a more 'feeling' method of entering, like spinning yourself (mentally). Become absolutely just motion.
The feeling needs to be pushed a little, but it should come quite easily.

What is needed before the spinning, is to forget the body, just follow your imagination, but not too engaged, you need to lose yourself in the action, so don't think about it or yourself, but also don't go so far as to lose consciousness too.

Then when everything *stops existing* (in a sense), spin. It's a little difficult to understand at first (it seems contradictory to 'lose the body' and then spin), but when you get it WILD becomes easy.
This is not like entering from a meditative state, nor through visual imagery, it's a stronger sensation.

Once you're in, you'll probably be quite surprised and ecstatic. The excitement is good at first, so just be happy, however in further WILDs you'll get used to it and likely ground yourself for a longer lasting dream.

Wow, thanks for your advice. I think I can amagine myself in the dream or just my imagination, so I just need to become relaxed enough to forget my body or get so emersed that I forget it (I'm geussing thats where SP comes useful) and then just imagine what I want or follow any thoughts that occur? Then just keep it going until I'm in the dream?
Another thing thats annoying is when i've been laying there for ages (i dont know how long unless I check), I get this pain in my foot and back. Its quite off putting, and after that I usually can't continue.

Firstly, you don't have to go through an endurance test if you want to LD.

Don't worry about your body, don't worry about shifting position, it's naturally comfortable -- you don't need to analyse that, your body knows what's comfortable so let it be and don't bother about interfering.

For myself, the feeling of sleepiness is what to get lost in. Just feeling...it's hard to explain what I mean.
The feeling of falling, the feeling of spinning, rotating, drifting. The sinking or expanding feeling. The shifting feeling, getting lost in it. Other people who use very 'feeling' techniques may understand what I mean. The very motion is the transition.

Just lay down, don't try to remember the words, nor repeat them.
Just understand and do.

Lay down and let your body be as it is, let your eyes close. The only hard part is thinking that it's hard, the complexities you put yourself through for such a simple thing as closing your eyes or laying down -- just going to sleep, such a natural mechanism and there's no need to interfere with it, be with it. Follow what happens, there is no chance you can't lucid dream. It's so easy and simple.

Consider in steps, but when doing it, just do it, don't consider.
1. Be normal, just start letting your body drift off.
Relax, this is just going to sleep. For now, don't bother with thoughts, just feel yourself getting more and more relaxed, you're naturally falling to sleep as you've done every night.
There comes a plateau of relaxedness, a nothingness of your not-interfering. This is meditativeness.
2. Fall. Down and down you're falling and falling, or spinning, or rotating, or running. You can feel that feeling.
3. The transition continues following the motion, the motion becomes it, transforming. You can feel a sudden overwhelming acceleration, your senses coming very alive. You're in the dream.

Your body leads you through all these steps without you having to do much, just minor pushes in the right direction, you don't have to worry so much about the steps, they just happen with the feeling.