Some WILD questions

**ChaoticSong** · 04-06-2009 07:49 AM

Hello all! I've been dedicating a great deal of time to learning to induce LDs, and WILD has been one such technique that I find particularly interesting. With that said...

1) I've read that WILD should be attempted after about 5-6 hours sleep, because we do not dream outside of the REM period. However, I've also heard that this is a myth, and that dreams do occur outside of REM. Is it essentially useless to be attempting WILD before bed, or even during the day in a very dark setting?

2) My next problem lies with eye movement. I've gradually learned to control my closed-eye movements, but my problem is that I cannot reliably relax my eyes without them gradually (or sometimes very quickly) snapping open. I suppose this could be because the window, in front of my bed and to the right, is typically lit up from the streetlights/moonlight, just enough to be drawing my right eye open. I'm noticing that either I don't relax my eyes and they eventually open up, or I focus a bit on keeping my eyes squeezed close, this not only breaks my concentration, but my brow tenses, and eventually my whole face. Does anybody have any idea on how to deal with this?

3) Despite some valiant efforts, I haven't yet become lucid through WILD. I'm not too disappointed, but I'm concerned because I feel I have yet to experience any significant hypnagogic imagery, if any at all. Certainly nothing like some of the vivid colors and patterns I've read about which eventually transition into memory imprints, etc. Is this typical? Will it eventually just...'click' or is there something I can do pro-actively to improve my odds of becoming lucid through WILD besides just practicing? At the moment I'm following the basics; dark room, progressively tense and relax my muscles, count my exhales (or inhales, or both, or count backwards from a random number, I've also tried randomly letting my mind drift), staying completely still. I eventually reach mild sleep paralysis, and have hit heavy sleep paralysis a few times where I feel an intense series of vibrations and feel as though I'm dizzy/moving somewhere...falling in one case, but all I see is blackness for the most part, with the occasional patch of very bright, but dull colored light that forms usually when the room isn't completely dark anyway.

I've read many guides on the subject, and I hope I can continue to learn. Thanks, everyone, in advance for reading and replying, and hello!

**Beeyahoi** · 04-06-2009 10:12 AM

My eyes sometimes used to gradually open with WILD attempts as well.

No advice for you, sorry. Just wanted to say that ^ lol.

**Reality_is_a_Dream** · 04-07-2009 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by ChaoticSong

1) I've read that WILD should be attempted after about 5-6 hours sleep, because we do not dream outside of the REM period. However, I've also heard that this is a myth, and that dreams do occur outside of REM. Is it essentially useless to be attempting WILD before bed, or even during the day in a very dark setting?

This is called a nap.

People generaly experience very vivid dreams, and often lucid dreams durring naps, but I do not think it is technicaly a WILD.

And it is very difficult, almost useless to try to WILD before bed because you do not go into a REM cycle immediatly. Almost all dreams occur during REM sleep.

Amazing WILD guide, it will take a long time to read, but it truly is the guide to end all guides.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=30783

Does anybody have any idea on how to deal with this?

I try to put my eyes in an akward position (like, to the left as much as possible) and keep them there, it usually keeps them still and shut.

Despite some valiant efforts, I haven't yet become lucid through WILD

It takes time man. I know it sucks to hear this, but it really does. Just keep trying. THe first time is the hardest, it gets alot easier over time.

That is the extent of help I can give, but good luck and welcome to DreamViews!

**ChaoticSong** · 04-07-2009 06:39 AM

Thanks for the responses. I've checked out the guide you linked before I registered, but noticed a few things I didn't catch this time true. The tip about leaving your eyes in an awkward position is helpful too.

**hellohihello** · 04-07-2009 07:04 AM

My eyes seem to roll up. I came to this conclusion because I was close to falling asleep and my tv was on. I didn't see any flashes and I was looking right at it

I have been wilding and I my room flashes with black lines through it like an old movie ( It's at about 7 am). I don't know if that's my eyes opening and shutting involuntary or HI.
Annnnnnnd Welcome

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Oh, dreaming out of REM is 100% real. We just don't remember them. Wake up every hour tonight and you can do the same if you keep your eyes closed. People can also WILD before bed but it is very hard.

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Try to DEILD, that's how I first got the hang of WILDing. It's a lot faster too

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=62769

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