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      Question WILD question concerning sleep paralysis?

      Hey everybody! This is my first post ever !!!

      So, I've recently tried to induce a WILD (I haven't had my first lucid yet, but WILD seems to be one that will work for me).

      Everytime I try to WILD, I go as far as hypnogogic (spelling, lol) images (i.e. i see blue colors swirling and sometimes I see scenes that disappear after a few seconds), and I never enter sleep paralysis!

      I've tried counting and concentrating, and I don't move.

      Here's my procedure:

      -Lay down on back

      -Close eyes and concentrate on breathing

      -Soon, I see the colors, and then when they get stronger, I count (1- I'm dreaming, 2-I'm dreaming, etc.)

      -I sometimes feel my body tensing (not paralyzed, just feeling heavy and I feel like I need to stretch them)

      -I then see some images (i think this is the hypnogogic hallucinations), but then they disappear, but that's probably because I don't concentrate too much.

      So my basic questions are:

      How can I concentrate more? What's a good way to?

      And

      Why don't I go through sp? And am I close to an LD?

      Many thanks

      PS: Sometimes my fingers and toes twitch, but I don't move so that doesn't really mess me up. Just thought I may add that to elaborate on any progress.

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      Hi Ruler of Dreams,

      I think that all of my hypnagogic and hypnapompic dreams are by nature lucid dreams, as I am fully conscious when I have them, and am aware they are inner images, not outer reality. I use the lucidity to gather as much detail from them as possible, as they are also the ones that are most likely PSI or psychic dreams. They are usually a message for me, from someone else (God/dess, spirit guides, angels, family and friends), so I want to get the message as completely as possible. Most of them are very short, like seeing a photograph, or a few frames of film, or even just hearing words and also seeing them spelled out. But sometimes, they will go into a full length dream, and then I still use the lucidity to gather information. I don't like to control or change them, though it sounds like fun when people do. I'm just afraid I'll miss something important through doing that! I think sometimes I do ask questions, and sometimes that brings clarification on what's being received.

      What were you specifically trying to accomplish? Do you remember the hypnagogic images? Did they seem to have meaning to you?

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      Quote Originally Posted by IrisRavenstar View Post
      Hi Ruler of Dreams,

      I think that all of my hypnagogic and hypnapompic dreams are by nature lucid dreams, as I am fully conscious when I have them, and am aware they are inner images, not outer reality. I use the lucidity to gather as much detail from them as possible, as they are also the ones that are most likely PSI or psychic dreams. They are usually a message for me, from someone else (God/dess, spirit guides, angels, family and friends), so I want to get the message as completely as possible. Most of them are very short, like seeing a photograph, or a few frames of film, or even just hearing words and also seeing them spelled out. But sometimes, they will go into a full length dream, and then I still use the lucidity to gather information. I don't like to control or change them, though it sounds like fun when people do. I'm just afraid I'll miss something important through doing that! I think sometimes I do ask questions, and sometimes that brings clarification on what's being received.

      What were you specifically trying to accomplish? Do you remember the hypnagogic images? Did they seem to have meaning to you?




      I was trying to become lucid using the WILD technique. The images.. yes I do, quite vividly infact, but they didn't help me become lucid.

      Not really, it was just random stuff

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      Hello, welcome to the best lucid dreaming site on the net!!

      First off, know that you do not need sleep paralysis to enter a dream. Your goal should not be to enter sleep paralysis, but to enter the dream itself.

      You left out a very important step in completing a successful WILD:

      It's called Wake Back to Bed or WBTB. The reason you need to do this is that in the beginning of the night, your dreams are about 90 minutes apart. Your dreams during this time period are also of significantly lower quality than those of later hours of sleep.

      What you need to do before you attempt a WILD is to sleep normally for some time and then stay awake for some time. I have had the most success sleeping for either 4 or 6 hours and staying awake for 1 hour.

      So you sleep for 4-6 hours to get your REM cycle (where most dreaming occurs) to become much closer together, like around 15 minutes apart. Then you wake up, via alarm clock, natural light, bathroom break, anything. Now you stay up. Staying up greatly increases that chance that you will not drift unconscious while waiting for the dream to form.

      Although concentrating on breathing may work for you, I would suggest trying other things. I find that concentrating on something as simple as breathing is too dull. Perhaps you would have better luck thinking about what you will do if your WILD attempt is successful. Doing this will also save precious lucid time since you won't have to think about what to do. This will also increase the chances of a DILD since you are thinking about lucid dreaming (right before falling asleep).

      I don't know why you don't go through sleep paralysis, but it is not uncommon for a WILDer to miss out on sleep paralysis. I have never experienced sleep paralysis. I think that when people experience sleep paralysis, it is usually when they wake up from a dream prematurely.

      Depending on whether or not you are using WBTB, you may be close to a dream. If you sleep for 6 hours before attempting a WILD, you should only be laying down for 15 or 20 minutes (at most) to enter a dream. I'm not too sure about this, but this has been my experience.

      Also, if you haven't already, check out the WILD and WBTB tutorials on the site.

      Feel free to ask questions and once again,
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ruler of Dreams View Post
      I was trying to become lucid using the WILD technique. The images.. yes I do, quite vividly infact, but they didn't help me become lucid.

      Not really, it was just random stuff
      I have not tried using any techniques to become lucid. I simply do, frequently. In fact, I take melatonin at bedtime so I can get some actual sleep! I was awake most of the night before, dreaming. I was exhausted when I got up. It's part of what opened up for me in 1986, when I kind of got hit over the head with a lot of extra vivid dreams that demanded that I wake up! It's been a trip!

      Nothing is just random stuff in dreams, really. You just don't know how to interpret it! I get as much meaning from many of hypnagogic/pompic images as from full length dreams. Lots of times they're puns, or they're answers to questions I've been asking, or they're my guides adjusting my dosage on an herb I'm taking, or they're reminders of something I need to do today, or whatever, but they're never, in my experience, random stuff.

      One funny one I had once, when I had been carrying on very intellectually the day before, was of a woman wearing this fancy plaid ruffled collar over her blouse. I thought and thought about it. I finally realized that woman's collar was a pun for "woman scholar." Isn't that cute? My guide's way of teasing. Sweetly.

      Another time, I saw a woman with her hair blowing out in one direction, and couldn't figure that one out. Someone on a list suggested that something she was hearing was going in one ear, and out the other, thus blowing her hair out. I took that as a hint to listen more carefully.

      They always mean something.

      She who loves interpretation most loves hypnagogic/pompic images second!

      A picture speaks a thousand words!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bucketheadjamz View Post
      Hello, welcome to the best lucid dreaming site on the net!!

      First off, know that you do not need sleep paralysis to enter a dream. Your goal should not be to enter sleep paralysis, but to enter the dream itself.

      You left out a very important step in completing a successful WILD:

      It's called Wake Back to Bed or WBTB. The reason you need to do this is that in the beginning of the night, your dreams are about 90 minutes apart. Your dreams during this time period are also of significantly lower quality than those of later hours of sleep.

      What you need to do before you attempt a WILD is to sleep normally for some time and then stay awake for some time. I have had the most success sleeping for either 4 or 6 hours and staying awake for 1 hour.

      So you sleep for 4-6 hours to get your REM cycle (where most dreaming occurs) to become much closer together, like around 15 minutes apart. Then you wake up, via alarm clock, natural light, bathroom break, anything. Now you stay up. Staying up greatly increases that chance that you will not drift unconscious while waiting for the dream to form.

      Although concentrating on breathing may work for you, I would suggest trying other things. I find that concentrating on something as simple as breathing is too dull. Perhaps you would have better luck thinking about what you will do if your WILD attempt is successful. Doing this will also save precious lucid time since you won't have to think about what to do. This will also increase the chances of a DILD since you are thinking about lucid dreaming (right before falling asleep).

      I don't know why you don't go through sleep paralysis, but it is not uncommon for a WILDer to miss out on sleep paralysis. I have never experienced sleep paralysis. I think that when people experience sleep paralysis, it is usually when they wake up from a dream prematurely.

      Depending on whether or not you are using WBTB, you may be close to a dream. If you sleep for 6 hours before attempting a WILD, you should only be laying down for 15 or 20 minutes (at most) to enter a dream. I'm not too sure about this, but this has been my experience.

      Also, if you haven't already, check out the WILD and WBTB tutorials on the site.

      Feel free to ask questions and once again,



      Thanks! This may be why... however, I stay up late frequently (it's summer where I am), and I sometimes feel myself close to a dream. Is it absolutely necessary to do WBTB to induce a WILD?



      Quote Originally Posted by IrisRavenstar View Post
      I have not tried using any techniques to become lucid. I simply do, frequently. In fact, I take melatonin at bedtime so I can get some actual sleep! I was awake most of the night before, dreaming. I was exhausted when I got up. It's part of what opened up for me in 1986, when I kind of got hit over the head with a lot of extra vivid dreams that demanded that I wake up! It's been a trip!

      Nothing is just random stuff in dreams, really. You just don't know how to interpret it! I get as much meaning from many of hypnagogic/pompic images as from full length dreams. Lots of times they're puns, or they're answers to questions I've been asking, or they're my guides adjusting my dosage on an herb I'm taking, or they're reminders of something I need to do today, or whatever, but they're never, in my experience, random stuff.

      One funny one I had once, when I had been carrying on very intellectually the day before, was of a woman wearing this fancy plaid ruffled collar over her blouse. I thought and thought about it. I finally realized that woman's collar was a pun for "woman scholar." Isn't that cute? My guide's way of teasing. Sweetly.

      Another time, I saw a woman with her hair blowing out in one direction, and couldn't figure that one out. Someone on a list suggested that something she was hearing was going in one ear, and out the other, thus blowing her hair out. I took that as a hint to listen more carefully.

      They always mean something.

      She who loves interpretation most loves hypnagogic/pompic images second!

      A picture speaks a thousand words!

      Thanks, I'll try to interpret my hypnogogic images next time lol.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ruler of Dreams View Post
      Thanks, I'll try to interpret my hypnogogic images next time lol.
      Do you keep a dream journal? I journal all my dreams, including these, so if I can't figure it out right away, it may connect later on.

      As for sleep paralysis, I've only experienced that a couple of times, and I think Jamz is right, that it's related to waking from a dream mentally before your body wakes up. I had one instance where I woke up with sleep paralysis to find my face stuck in my pillow, and I was unable to breathe, which was scary. Fortunately, I had just re-read Jeremy Taylor's _Where People Fly and Water Runs Uphill_ the day before, and remembered he said to move fine motor muscles, not big ones like arms and legs. I twitched my eyebrow, and the paralysis released. Remember that, just in case!

      Anyway, I'm new here too, as of yesterday, but welcome!

      I'm signing off for now...

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      Quote Originally Posted by IrisRavenstar View Post
      Do you keep a dream journal? I journal all my dreams, including these, so if I can't figure it out right away, it may connect later on.

      As for sleep paralysis, I've only experienced that a couple of times, and I think Jamz is right, that it's related to waking from a dream mentally before your body wakes up. I had one instance where I woke up with sleep paralysis to find my face stuck in my pillow, and I was unable to breathe, which was scary. Fortunately, I had just re-read Jeremy Taylor's _Where People Fly and Water Runs Uphill_ the day before, and remembered he said to move fine motor muscles, not big ones like arms and legs. I twitched my eyebrow, and the paralysis released. Remember that, just in case!

      Anyway, I'm new here too, as of yesterday, but welcome!

      I'm signing off for now...
      Nah, I don't keep a dream journal. But I have worked on remembering dreams, and I can vividly recall them. I think that to induce a wild, I don't need to do reality checks or keep a dj, so that's why I picked it.

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      Thanks! This may be why... however, I stay up late frequently (it's summer where I am), and I sometimes feel myself close to a dream. Is it absolutely necessary to do WBTB to induce a WILD?

      No problem.

      No, WBTB is not absolutely necessary. However, it is extremely important. I do settle in the for ride of the HI when I first go to bed, but never do I attempt a WILD from the beginning of the night.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bucketheadjamz View Post
      Thanks! This may be why... however, I stay up late frequently (it's summer where I am), and I sometimes feel myself close to a dream. Is it absolutely necessary to do WBTB to induce a WILD?

      No problem.

      No, WBTB is not absolutely necessary. However, it is extremely important. I do settle in the for ride of the HI when I first go to bed, but never do I attempt a WILD from the beginning of the night.

      Thanks

      So, I don't need to go through Sleep Paralysis once I try to WILD? And how will I know when to "step" into the dream? Do I move my physical body once I know I'm dreaming or think I'm moving? Sorry for the wave of questions

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      No, sleep paralysis is not inherent to a successful WILD.

      It's hard to explain how to know when to step into the dream. It's different for everyone, but for me, I just know that I am now far enough along the (epic) journey to dreamworld based on how everything feels. The HI and everything in general gets more intense the closer you get to a full-on dream. So, for me, I just know because of how it feels.

      Once you know/suspect you are now in a full-on dream, you could try to move your physical body. Hopefully, doing so will only move your dream body. Once you get outta bed (assuming the dream starts there), you may find it helpful/necessary to do some stabilization techniques. One common way to do this that works for many people, myself included, is to watch while you rub your hands together. Using your other senses is advised as well.

      When you get a chance, be sure to check out the tutorials on WILDing, WBTB, dream stability, dream control, etc.

      Don't worry about the stream of questions. Happy lucids!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bucketheadjamz View Post
      No, sleep paralysis is not inherent to a successful WILD.

      It's hard to explain how to know when to step into the dream. It's different for everyone, but for me, I just know that I am now far enough along the (epic) journey to dreamworld based on how everything feels. The HI and everything in general gets more intense the closer you get to a full-on dream. So, for me, I just know because of how it feels.

      Once you know/suspect you are now in a full-on dream, you could try to move your physical body. Hopefully, doing so will only move your dream body. Once you get outta bed (assuming the dream starts there), you may find it helpful/necessary to do some stabilization techniques. One common way to do this that works for many people, myself included, is to watch while you rub your hands together. Using your other senses is advised as well.

      When you get a chance, be sure to check out the tutorials on WILDing, WBTB, dream stability, dream control, etc.

      Don't worry about the stream of questions. Happy lucids!

      Thanks! I Will Try Tonight And Will Post Results Back Tomm... Cya For Now!

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      sometims i can do it if u just have the tv blerrying an i fade into sleep hearing avery thing on the outside still works for me sometimes

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      So you can't have a WILD when you first go to bed at night? If so then I'm having trouble with that cause I lay down around 2-3 o clock at night and I try to do a meditation thing that i read on these forums the past couple of days to relax myself (focusing on your forehead or your mind, or maybe the 61 point relaxation thing.)

      Anyways, after 20-30 minutes I get a strange feeling, like a wave of weird 'sensations' that happen on my legs and arms, or like last night it seem to just creep up my legs. I thought it might be sleep paralysis but I try to move and I can so thats ruled out.

      I heard that you could have a mind awake/body asleep if you lay completely still for awhile but I'm not sure if I'm experiencing this because I read that there is supposed to be a strong urge to move and if you resist it your hearing 'shifts' or something. I thought i felt the strong urge and i resisted it or so I thought but their was no shift of anything. Also it seems sometimes that I'm about to 'drift' to sleep and I realize this at the last second and sorta wake up and then i can't drift back for a couple of minutes. Its VERY frustrating.

      Finally after an hour or more I just give up on it all and just want to go to sleep, and then I end up just having a couple non-lucid dreams. If anybody could give or point out some advise i would much appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

      P.S. Sorry for all the questions. I'm new to the forums and have been searching and exploring around this Website since about Sunday or so and have found some good ideas and techniques but they just don't seem to work for me or I'm doing something wrong. Like I said. It's very frustrating. Also, for the mind awake/body asleep thing do you have to not move your face, tongue or eyes or does your face not matter because if my lip itches then i twitch and itch it or I swallow if my mouth feels full of spit. Sorry for the wall of text above.

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      I've written this in another thread but I think it's relevant here also:

      Don't worry too much about sleep paralysis.

      Having had hundreds of WILDs in my life, i've rarely experienced extreme sleep paralysis whilst falling asleep into a WILD. It has happened on occasions, but it's never been a huge factor. I think either i'm incredibly unusual (but many people i've talked to say they too share this), or that SP is made out to be more important than it really needs be.

      What is far far more common for me is this:

      1) Im aware of my sleeping body
      2) I become disinterested in my body (see why later)
      3) My imagination starts to become my main focus (my attention is focused inwards, rather than on sensory perceptions)
      4) eventually my imagination forms into a dream and I find myself in a dreambody.


      As for the Why? in number 2:

      I've never bought into the idea that remaining completely still is required for a WILD. I think it's a red herring that has become popular.
      Sure, don't move too much, but, after a while, if you're not obsessing about your body or not moving too much, the need to move to get comfortable tends to vanish on it's own anyway... because if you let yourself get as comfortable as you can, eventually your mind and body calm down enough to fall asleep.

      If you don't make staying still your main focus, but instead you make your main focus, your thoughts/imagination, your body soon becomes irrelevant.
      Staying completely still, in my opinion, actually forces you to focus on your real body more than you should... and in turn, that slows down the process of falling into your internal world.

      I've always considered the most important factor in inducing a WILD (or falling asleep for those with insomnia) is to direct your actions towards whatever is the most restful and inward behaviour.

      Obviously worrying about not moving, or laying uncomfortably frightened to move in case you "ruin your chances" is absolutely not restful behaviour.

      I think the techniques that insist that you absolutely don't move, work not because they are the most effective techinques... i think they work in-spite of staying still. That is to say, that the staying completely still uncomfortably dosn't help you have a WILD, that instead it actually hinders your falling asleep.. but given enough time, the mind/body will become exaughsted enough that it will HAVE to fall asleep (unless you give up beforehand). Perhaps this is why people have more extreme SP with these methods... because they are putting the mind/body through a more traumatic drawn out sleep entry system.

      I think a lot of people who have problems with the "stay completely still methods" would do well to try what I do... just forget about what your body is doing, it's not important as long as you are reasonably comfortable. If you need to shift about a bit, do it, don't sweat about it... it's just normal behaviour to want to get comfy. Move, then get back to your imagination.

      I think the single most important factor for inducing a WILD is shifting your awareness towards your thoughts and imagination and away from your body and sensory external input

      I find it especially useful to use my imagination to focus on shifting to my dreambody... so instead of focusing on staying still and awaiting SP, I'll just imagine walking around my room, or some other familiar scene, feeling the floor beneath my feet, touching objects.
      The key, for me, is to let the body fall asleep on it's own... just let it do it's thing, ignore it, whilst keeping the mind active on the imaginary realm... focus on thoughts, imaginations, what it would feel like to be running, or walking or whatever. Just override your physical sensations with your imagination and imaginary sensations.

      This way, I fall asleep much faster, much more easily, no worries, no painful laying around uncomfortably still obsessing about what my body is up to.
      Instead, it's a relaxed smooth submersion into the sea of my imagination... and when you're deep enough, you find yourself in the sea of dreams.

      Here's an analogy of the two:

      One is like, wanting to go swimming... you slowly walk into the water, you let your body adjust to the water, you move slowly and naturally to a comfortable depth then start swimming.

      The other is like laying uncomforably still on the shore just in front of the sea, waiting for the tide to come in, not moving an inch... just waiting... uncomfortably. Crabs come and nip your toes whilst you're waiting... but you can't move.... you've got to wait for the "sea to come to you", the occasional splash of a wave gives you a glimpse of what it's like to be in the cool sea... it excites you so much you almost move... but, no, you have to stay still... how else is the sea going to come to you?

      I know which I prefer, and which makes more sense.

      I see it like this:

      Waking life: is the beach.
      Imagination: is the shoreline where the waves crash and lap against your feet.
      Dreams: are swimming in the sea.

      Rather than waiting for the sea of dreams to come to you... meet it half way... play around in the shoreline of the imagination. You'll find yourself getting deeper, more confident... and the tide will come in much quicker if you're already ankle deep in the sea.
      Last edited by spaceexplorer; 08-05-2009 at 11:56 PM.

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      So if I want to WILD I just go with my imagination. Do you have a mantra or relaxation method you use or do you just imagine what your going to dream about? Can you just imagine it and right when you fall asleep then BAM your there? Sorry for my noob questions, my friend told me about lucid dreaming months ago but I only started putting effort into it this past weekend and from what I've read WILDing takes a lot of practice so I probably need to have more patience.

      One more question. What do you do to help you sleep when you first go to bed at night? It seems I'll be about to drift off, and hopefully do a MILD or DILD, and then I snap back to reality. Thanks for the reply and help. Btw, that was a good analogy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by spaceexplorer View Post
      I've written this in another thread but I think it's relevant here also:

      Don't worry too much about sleep paralysis.

      Having had hundreds of WILDs in my life, i've rarely experienced extreme sleep paralysis whilst falling asleep into a WILD. It has happened on occasions, but it's never been a huge factor. I think either i'm incredibly unusual (but many people i've talked to say they too share this), or that SP is made out to be more important than it really needs be.

      What is far far more common for me is this:

      1) Im aware of my sleeping body
      2) I become disinterested in my body (see why later)
      3) My imagination starts to become my main focus (my attention is focused inwards, rather than on sensory perceptions)
      4) eventually my imagination forms into a dream and I find myself in a dreambody.


      As for the Why? in number 2:

      I've never bought into the idea that remaining completely still is required for a WILD. I think it's a red herring that has become popular.
      Sure, don't move too much, but, after a while, if you're not obsessing about your body or not moving too much, the need to move to get comfortable tends to vanish on it's own anyway... because if you let yourself get as comfortable as you can, eventually your mind and body calm down enough to fall asleep.

      If you don't make staying still your main focus, but instead you make your main focus, your thoughts/imagination, your body soon becomes irrelevant.
      Staying completely still, in my opinion, actually forces you to focus on your real body more than you should... and in turn, that slows down the process of falling into your internal world.

      I've always considered the most important factor in inducing a WILD (or falling asleep for those with insomnia) is to direct your actions towards whatever is the most restful and inward behaviour.

      Obviously worrying about not moving, or laying uncomfortably frightened to move in case you "ruin your chances" is absolutely not restful behaviour.

      I think the techniques that insist that you absolutely don't move, work not because they are the most effective techinques... i think they work in-spite of staying still. That is to say, that the staying completely still uncomfortably dosn't help you have a WILD, that instead it actually hinders your falling asleep.. but given enough time, the mind/body will become exaughsted enough that it will HAVE to fall asleep (unless you give up beforehand). Perhaps this is why people have more extreme SP with these methods... because they are putting the mind/body through a more traumatic drawn out sleep entry system.

      I think a lot of people who have problems with the "stay completely still methods" would do well to try what I do... just forget about what your body is doing, it's not important as long as you are reasonably comfortable. If you need to shift about a bit, do it, don't sweat about it... it's just normal behaviour to want to get comfy. Move, then get back to your imagination.

      I think the single most important factor for inducing a WILD is shifting your awareness towards your thoughts and imagination and away from your body and sensory external input

      I find it especially useful to use my imagination to focus on shifting to my dreambody... so instead of focusing on staying still and awaiting SP, I'll just imagine walking around my room, or some other familiar scene, feeling the floor beneath my feet, touching objects.
      The key, for me, is to let the body fall asleep on it's own... just let it do it's thing, ignore it, whilst keeping the mind active on the imaginary realm... focus on thoughts, imaginations, what it would feel like to be running, or walking or whatever. Just override your physical sensations with your imagination and imaginary sensations.

      This way, I fall asleep much faster, much more easily, no worries, no painful laying around uncomfortably still obsessing about what my body is up to.
      Instead, it's a relaxed smooth submersion into the sea of my imagination... and when you're deep enough, you find yourself in the sea of dreams.

      Here's an analogy of the two:

      One is like, wanting to go swimming... you slowly walk into the water, you let your body adjust to the water, you move slowly and naturally to a comfortable depth then start swimming.

      The other is like laying uncomforably still on the shore just in front of the sea, waiting for the tide to come in, not moving an inch... just waiting... uncomfortably. Crabs come and nip your toes whilst you're waiting... but you can't move.... you've got to wait for the "sea to come to you", the occasional splash of a wave gives you a glimpse of what it's like to be in the cool sea... it excites you so much you almost move... but, no, you have to stay still... how else is the sea going to come to you?

      I know which I prefer, and which makes more sense.

      I see it like this:

      Waking life: is the beach.
      Imagination: is the shoreline where the waves crash and lap against your feet.
      Dreams: are swimming in the sea.

      Rather than waiting for the sea of dreams to come to you... meet it half way... play around in the shoreline of the imagination. You'll find yourself getting deeper, more confident... and the tide will come in much quicker if you're already ankle deep in the sea.



      Thanks for the help! That was really great advice!

      I'm glad that there's other people out there who have questions too . BTW, last night I felt numb in my legs and arms some. I didn't go through SP, and I think I fell asleep during attempt. The farthest I've gotten is feeling sort of numb and seeing blue colors swishing around behind my eyelids. Any idea how I can go furthur?

      I will try your method tonight thanks!
      Last edited by Ruler of Dreams; 08-06-2009 at 01:10 AM.

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