Thread: Does being lucid stop you from resting.

There is no drawback to being aware!!! Rather, there are drawbacks to being ignorant!!!
Awareness doesn't stop relaxation!!! In fact you need to relax to become more aware!!!

Originally Posted by VividlyFloating

I actually asked my Biology teacher (Who studied Neurology for about 12 years) about this and she said yes, exsessive Lucid dreaming IS bad for you. Your body only rests if if can get to the Deeper states of sleep which it is not able to do in Lucid Dreaming. She said without getting to this nessisary state you will first become stressed and then eventually psycocotic. So in conclusion I would say yes.
Although please note - I don't know how much she actually knows about Lucid dreaming and her personal views (I think she's against it) may have colored her opinion.
Hope i helped! =)

She's probably like my mom and the other people I've been talking about. The people who are septic about Lucid Dreams do not believe its possible and then they say that if you're conscious you need to be awake and then I need to keep saying that I've been lucid many times and I know from experience that it is possible to be conscious and dream at the same time so they assume that if you can be conscious without being awake, then you have to be awake but asleep at the same time: Dreaming but not resting. I think septic people think to hard. They try to find explanations or something. lucid dreams simply exist and its simply possible to be conscious during a dream, there's not so complicated I think. YOu're teacher probably just said that because it is logical to her that being conscious is a antonym of sleeping. Like someone said it before, you do need Delta but lucid dreaming doesn't stop you from being in that state.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

There is no drawback to being aware!!! Rather, there are drawbacks to being ignorant!!!
Awareness doesn't stop relaxation!!! In fact you need to relax to become more aware!!!

That's true.

I don't understand why people have trouble believing in lucid dreams. All you are doing is realizing you are asleep.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I don't understand why people have trouble believing in lucid dreams. All you are doing is realizing you are asleep.

Well, because they never experienced it and they don't believe the evidence. And even with evidence, they don't want to believe anything "wierd". Plus, it kind of reminds them that they don't know everything. They want to think that everyone is like them except for 'wierd' people and that they are 'normal'. They don't see everyone else talking about or believing in lucid dreams so they go along with the flock and shrug it off. also, it has occult connotations to them. It reminds them of things like astral projection and magick and that is just either crazy hocus-pocus or it is satanic to them. Plus they don't see any value in it if it is true. They have little imaginations. They think "so you can do anything you want? So what?". Plus they might be a little bitter that they can't do anything that they want so why should anyone else. You don't get to do anything you want in life, wake up and join the real world. That is what they might think.
Ahhh, such little imagination and such bitterness and ignorance

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Well, because they never experienced it and they don't believe the evidence. And even with evidence, they don't want to believe anything "wierd". Plus, it kind of reminds them that they don't know everything. They want to think that everyone is like them except for 'wierd' people and that they are 'normal'. They don't see everyone else talking about or believing in lucid dreams so they go along with the flock and shrug it off. also, it has occult connotations to them. It reminds them of things like astral projection and magick and that is just either crazy hocus-pocus or it is satanic to them. Plus they don't see any value in it if it is true. They have little imaginations. They think "so you can do anything you want? So what?". Plus they might be a little bitter that they can't do anything that they want so why should anyone else. You don't get to do anything you want in life, wake up and join the real world. That is what they might think.
Ahhh, such little imagination and such bitterness and ignorance

I guess all of this is true but I still don't get it. I remember how I found lucid dreams... I was talking about dreams with someone and realized how much they were cool. I wanted to remember more of them. I thought that if I trained I might be able to remember ALL of my dreams. So I researched "how to remember dreams" and found lucid dreaming... I realized I might never remember ALL my dreams but I thought lucid dreams were just 100000 times better and I thought I had found the best thing in the world and i didn't even doubt one second, i just started researching as much as I could.

I didn't doubt, so its hard for me to think people react like that to them. My mom blames every mistake I do on lucid dreams...

But what really bugs me is that I feel so lonely. I don't know anyone else that does lucid dreams or that is interested in them. Don't you guys feel like that? Lucid dreams are so cool that it's hard for me to to talk about them, especially with my family which all know I do them but they always ask me to stop talking about them. I don't get it! They don't just ignore me, they tell me to STOP talking about. They tell me they don't care. normally, when someone talks about something boring everyone pretends they're interested but no they tell me to stop, and then they (my brothers) start talking about video games... It annoys me. The only place that I can talk about lucid dreams is here but I don't actually know anyone here (for real) so its not the same... I wish more peopel knew about them... At least one person that I would know.

I don't have hard evidence to back me up, but I've been on the site for over a year now and this has come up many times. As far as I can tell, we haven't come up with anything conclusive, but here's my logical thought process:

Most of the reason for needing sleep is to recover the energy that your body uses up. You see (if I remember correctly; I had to study a chart for school once) your body is constantly gaining and losing energy, but during waking life, your body can't gain enough energy to make up for what it loses, so you sleep to recharge. Now, I imagine, the part that the brain needs is a very minimal part. You could probably make this up in your Non-REM sleep, in which you are highly unlikely to have any dreams requiring too much concentration to the brain.
So, to answer your question, if you did NOTHING but lucid dream while you were asleep, it probably wouldn't be good for your health. But, otherwise, you should be fine.

Also, nice to have you back Sleepy. Hope you stay for a while.

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

But what really bugs me is that I feel so lonely. I don't know anyone else that does lucid dreams or that is interested in them. Don't you guys feel like that? Lucid dreams are so cool that it's hard for me to to talk about them, especially with my family which all know I do them but they always ask me to stop talking about them. I don't get it! They don't just ignore me, they tell me to STOP talking about. They tell me they don't care. normally, when someone talks about something boring everyone pretends they're interested but no they tell me to stop, and then they (my brothers) start talking about video games... It annoys me. The only place that I can talk about lucid dreams is here but I don't actually know anyone here (for real) so its not the same... I wish more peopel knew about them... At least one person that I would know.

I know what you mean. I know only a few people that are into dreaming and they are only interested in interpreting them and they aren't into the lucidity as much. And they are all on the other side of the country. And they aren't even my close friends. My close friends think its neat but they aren't interested in putting in the discipline. I guess they aren't THAT interested. We are a unique tribe of people, SleepyCookieDough. Get used to it. It is kind of lonely out here on the fringe.

For Vividly: I think there are biological (and associated psycological) problems with having excessive REM... which some people have.... which your teacher may be confusing with lucid dreaming.

For Dannon Oneironaut: You said, When a lucid dream ends, stay lucid, without waking up. Before a lucid dream begins, stay lucid. When you awake in the morning, stay lucid. During the day, stay lucid. Before you go to bed, stay lucid.

Could you elaborate on this, please? I think i may have done this after my WILD this morning. I woke up but was able to access the creativity of the dreamstate but was not getting visuals. At some point, however, i transitioned into "i think i'll wake up now".

So what does it mean to "live lucid"? It is a phased thing ie depending on whether you just came out of a lucid dream ... or is being lucid a constant state of awareness? if so what is it like?

Also, do you think periodically using sound to bring on certain brainwaves like theta and delta (or possibly even gamma) will help? i guess this is an alternative to meditating.

many thanks,
beachgirl