Hard work...

**dvbulletin** · 02-02-2010 06:23 PM

I started practizing with Stephen Laberge's book roughly 4 years ago and had my first LD approx. 1 month later... I still remeber it well - duration maybe 25 sec.

So far I have experienced maybe 80 LD's all-in-all. Most of them short 'clips' of no more than 3-5 sec.

I have always been happy after seeing one. In a way I have proved myself that I 'can do the trick'.

One thing has not, however, changed. Lucid dreaming is still hard work for me. It requires intensive practice during the day - you really have to focus on the thing.

Now the simple question: is there anybody there who has learned LD 'from the book' like I have, and who would have developed 'an easy-going' talent of seeing LD's without too much work? I could imagine the ones who have 'the natural talent' can enjoy LD's as one generally should (without too much concentrating on technics)

If there is somebody, I would just like to know more about the way you do it.

**Robot_Butler** · 02-02-2010 06:40 PM

The magic bullet seems to be learning to WILD. Depending on your familiarity with meditation, it can be difficult to learn. Once you have it figured out, and have an understanding of how to manipulate your sleep schedule, you can reliably have lucid dreams without too much interruption in your daily life.

I guess it all depends on what you mean by "hard work." Attention all day every day is hard work. Mastering your own mind through meditation is also hard work. Of course, with both kinds of discipline, there are tons of benefits beyond just lucid dreaming.

You may want to try some supplements. There are a few that can make things a lot easier. Galantamine/choline seems to work reliably for me. You still have to figure out how it works, but it takes a lot of the guesswork and luck out of things. I recommend Thomas Yuschak's book if you're interested :
http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Lucid.../dp/1430305428

**dvbulletin** · 02-02-2010 08:23 PM

Thanks Robot

positively suprised that you mentioned meditation and WILDS.

I've meditated actively (and without too much stress) the past 5 years. I think I am progressing slowly but steadily. Have confidence in meditation and intend to continue it. Strongly feel that success in LC is somehow connected with success in meditation. Maybe it is the mindfulness which is needed in the dream state...

Anyway, another interesting thing you mentioned is WILD. To be honest, I,ve never experienced WILD induced LD's. I've tried it but without no success so far. I fall asleep every time (before something should happen; hypnagogic images ?) All my LD's are so far DILD's.

In respect to WILD's, what do you mean by 'manipulating your dream schedule'? Do you mean that you can you influence your REM cycle?

Thanks for the advice regarding supplements and the book.

Have to concentrate on WILD's

Hard work you see

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

The magic bullet seems to be learning to WILD. Depending on your familiarity with meditation, it can be difficult to learn. Once you have it figured out, and have an understanding of how to manipulate your sleep schedule, you can reliably have lucid dreams without too much interruption in your daily life.

I guess it all depends on what you mean by "hard work." Attention all day every day is hard work. Mastering your own mind through meditation is also hard work. Of course, with both kinds of discipline, there are tons of benefits beyond just lucid dreaming.

You may want to try some supplements. There are a few that can make things a lot easier. Galantamine/choline seems to work reliably for me. You still have to figure out how it works, but it takes a lot of the guesswork and luck out of things. I recommend Thomas Yuschak's book if you're interested :
http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Lucid.../dp/1430305428

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