I find the "American" IRC crew impossible to connect with on any form, and have never been able to talk on chat during those times I find that all Blue and Red dream views mods (past and present, with exceptions) are really up themselves. I hate when they talk on chat because they take it over and everyone adores them and I just slowly fade out and feel excluded and when I do try and take part in the conversation I just get ignored. I feel everyone thinks I'm stupid, threads always seem to die when I post in them. I'll never touch extended discussion due to this.
11/16/2013 7:32 PM
It’s not about having authority or intelligence higher than anyone else. It’s about knowing how to extract information from others in unorthodox ways, at least based on the set of circumstances that occurs in DV in particular. If you know how to push people’s buttons right without going too far, you can get some really useful information out of them when you help sustain their egocentric and self-aggrandizing ways to make themselves feel better. They’ll have a sense of urgency to validate that they’re not incompetent and are clearly intelligent enough for discussion.
Extended discussions on dreamviews has some nice insight and bits here and there, but inevitably, there’s an impasse that occurs (e.g. “let’s agree to disagree,” “let’s stop this bickering,” confirmation bias, keeping the peace). It’s what prevents people from going further and actually having an “extended discussion” instead of “extended ad hominem, confirmation bias, in-group favoritism, straw man arguments, and all sorts of red herrings.”
Wanting to feel intellectual in Extended Discussion in Dream Views will just lead you into disappointment. This is something that can be apparent for any forum where debates, flame wars, and shit storms can occur easily. Just take the information stated, use it for gaining perspective, then lie big and run fast.
And as for the IRC, there’s like what…..15-30 members there? And this is including idlers or people that just glance to get in a few chuckles in, or to just find time to kill with the spontaneity that can go in any direction before someone releases the ban hammer. Combine that with people who will find any fault of a member and go about in their private circlejerking hate-on-staff-or-any-other-member-cuz-we're-bored chats creating contingency plans and acting like Che' Guevara with brave-heart speeches to galvanize the small and secluded community because of the mods and staff, doesn’t really seem to be the place to socialize long-term.
Maybe if you just want to have a sense of belonging with people who rarely put any thought into anything, but the chat is going to have its limit. That and any other chat for that matter.
As for moderators and other staff members, you’ll have to understand when you’re in a position to abide to certain rules and ethics in being a staff member, it’s not something easy to do. It’s more of the people streaming in complaints that have been apparent since 2004 of the site’s “golden years” that’s the issue. It’s easier for someone to say “omg You are a Nazi mod,” “omg You’re just helping Alex get another Mercedes Benz,” and other useless declarations. (Don’t ban me mods, the latter was merely jest, I love you Alex, don't kill me)
You can meet some awesome people on chat if you didn’t set a horrible first impression of course, too bad impressions and personas seem to count so much there. But like what other members have done in the past, especially those pioneers during 2004-2007, you’ll quickly realize that chat is just there to kill time/nostalgia trip/etc.. You’ll want to do something more productive, and if you want to take a break and receive a transient lobotomy towards madness, DV general chat is your go-to source for that.
It’s your choice of course, and using chat or even extended discussion to help fuel the gap you have with wanting to feel competent and useful to contributing to the community is admirable, but if that’s your end goal, you’ll invariably feel drained out. And at some point, you’ll get sick and tired of that shit. At least that was the case for me.
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