Thread: Save the Internet: Preserve Network Neutrality

Signed.

... I hate America... I'm really not looking forward to going back...

I signed, too. I had seen that announced at askaninja.com (of all places ) and was glad to sign it.

-Amé

tries to decide whether to sigh or scream and goes for the headshake

if i were american i'd sign it in a moment...

I saw it (that is, to say, I seen it) on Digg.com, and I totally signed it. Figures the USA would take a page out of communist China's book I dno if I'll stay in the US when I'm older, but right now it's not looking very likely.

Originally posted by Dangeruss
I saw it (that is, to say, I seen it) on Digg.com, and I totally signed it. Figures the USA would take a page out of communist China's book I dno if I'll stay in the US when I'm older, but right now it's not looking very likely.

well, up in canada we're usually happy to take disatisfied americans and greet them with tolerance, 6% beer, buds the size of a femur, and a minority conservative government...

you can crash on my couch if you need to

sounds lovely, wombing. Canadar, here I come! To be honest, Canada's the only place where I could possibly go. I speak french well, but in France people would always know I'm an outsider as soon as I open my mouth. The french I met on my trip were swell folks, and they said I spoke like a native, but after hearing their english teachers speak with heavy french accents, I knew that it was almost impossible to get rid of an old accent. I'd never fit in. At least in Canada they speak english, and they're reputedly accepting of expatriate Americans (quite unlike france), so my chances of integrating there are much better.

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but congress doesn't own the internet, so they have no right to do this.

but when has that ever stopped them?

Originally posted by Dangeruss
but when has that ever stopped them?

Go go UN... wait. Dammit.

I did my part. Said that the internet is more of a democracy than congress, they should take some notes. No one has the authority to run the internet like that, if congress can't understand that, both telecommunications companies and congress should be thrown to the side of the road.

should be, that's a given. But they still own the bandwidth

I'm sick of the US. Moving to Canada in a few years.

I signed it.

Originally posted by Tsen
I'm sick of the US. Moving to Canada in a few years.

Bleeh. Take me with you.

Thank you to everyone who's already signed!! The internet is definitely a resource which we are all charged with protecting. Our government obviously won't do it for us.

As for the idea of moving to Canada, I’ve been threatening to expatriate for about 6 years now, and if the US were some dinky little egocentric, isolationist principality, I would have already. But since it’s the largest market force in the world and has recently adopted an economic model borrowed from Imperialistic Britain (we all know how well that turned out) and combined it with a socio-cultural dedication to creating an American theocracy, leaving won’t do any good. No one in the world can escape the influence of US policy, and only from within is real change ever enacted. If the thoughtful people, the learned people, the people who care about life beyond themselves and the sphere of their economic influence leave, the others win control. We have no moral authority to chastise from afar the actions and actors which we are too lazy and cowardly to confront and challenge in person.

But I suppose one should never say never. If things continue down this toilet-bowl plunge, I just might end up swallowing my morals and sense of social responsibility and booking a plane, train, or automobile outta here. If you’re old enough to move by then, Dangeruss, maybe we could get a good two-for-one deal on really heavy winter coats. I hear Canada is cold. And we could rent an apartment with Tsen and Courtney right down the street from Wombing.

Yay! Then we can throw Canadan DV parties! With real CANADIAN BEER!

I just had an off-topic thought. I think it would be really hilarious if we have all the Mexicans immigrate to the United States, then all these Americans immigrate to Canada. What would Canada do? Learn to swim?

Peregrunis

on really heavy winter coats. I hear Canada is cold. [/b]

Oh yah it's so cold here eh. In fact this summer sucks, because of global warming my igloo has just started to melt and I think I might have to build a shack (at least for the summer) to live in. Also I can no longer use my dog sled as a means of transportation .

all the american's coming here?...us Canadians would chase out all the americans, we'd hitch up our polar bear amy and get the canoe navy ready! (I mean kick out just the bad ones... all the republicans and conservativs!)

Hey I wanna go to the Candian parties, we should start a lucid dream commune!

Originally posted by Tsen
Yay! *Then we can throw Canadan DV parties! *With real CANADIAN BEER! *

If we're going for beer, we need to go to Germany!

And Shark, you're forgetting that you'll no longer have polar bears in a few decades. Those melting ice caps turn into polar bear drowning pools, and you'll have no way to escape. But don't worry, the conservatives won't come up to get you. Like Napoleon, they don't like the cold. However, in 100 - 200 years after global warming has transformed your climate to be more like Texas, watch out!

i hate to be a spoil-sport, and i like the idea of trying to fight against the injustice of corporate america and all that...but when has an internet petition ever been counted for anything? i think it's time to start recruiting the cyber-criminals who can do real damage to cyber-infrastructure.

Originally posted by mongreloctopus
i hate to be a spoil-sport, and i like the idea of trying to fight against the injustice of corporate america and all that...but when has an internet petition ever been counted for anything? *i think it's time to start recruiting the cyber-criminals who can do real damage to cyber-infrastructure.

Petitions, whether gathered in person or online, have been an effective medium for communicating to government the desires of the governed for hundreds of years. If you'd actually investigated the link I posted, you'd see that you don't sign this petition with some arbitrary SN - you must provide your legal name and address so that the electronic signatures can later be verified – and the organization compiling this petition is not the temporary brainchild of some high school social studies class, but rather a nationally recognized and active PAC. A hard copy of the petition will be presented to Congress at the end of the week (so, Monday probably). The internet can be a tremendously powerful tool for social change if people are only willing to get off their asses every once in a while and do something about the crap about which they're constantly complaining while watching CNN 24/7. 300,000 signatures is not an unreasonable expectation for a petition compiled online. You'd be hard pressed to organize a petition that large with signatures collected door-to-door across the US in the span of a week as has been done with this one.

Also, destroying the thing you’re trying to save has never been an effective political strategy. It may work for childish siblings who slobber all over their favorite toys and then taunt, “So, bet you don’t want it now!” but playing such games with an infrastructure upon which all global business depends is not only immature, but dangerous.

you'd do better to actually donate money, instead of signing something that no one in the government actually cares about, and probably won't even ever actually see. congress doesn't care what the "public" wants...unless you have a big sack of money.

and as long as we are living in a place where the people in charge enjoy violence and mayhem, it will be the only way to get through to them (unless you have a big sack of money)

Congress doesn't care what its citizens think because its citizens do not care what Congress does. If the congressional body of the United States can sell out the freedom of its people for a quarter percent rise on the stock prices of AT&T while those same people sit at home oblivious and uncaring, glued to the innanities of Desperate Housewives or American Idol, why should they care? Those people will elect them again in 2 or 6 years out of habit, probably not even noticing how their lives have changed and how their freedom has been curtailed one day at a time. My money won't change that. A single average citizen cannot compete with corporate donors, although a million can.

However, we don't need to line the pockets of our Congressmen and women in order to affect change because it is still the people who elect Congress, and because we have that power, latent though it may currently lie, petitions do have an impact. Petitions indicate that people are paying attention, that citizens are watching their government and noting its unethical moves. Each person who takes the time to sign a petition, who takes the time to wake up and take an interest in the current events which will shape the world for decades to come is a person who will not sit quietly at home come election time. People who sign petitions are not the sort who vote out of habit and keep quiet out of disinterested boredom. They phone and write their local press, their neighbors, their Congressmen. They raise the awareness of the others who might lie dormant, and with nearly 400 millions people in this country, that awareness is not something that Congress particularly wants turned its way. So if it comes down to giving the people what they want and foregoing a weeklong trip to the Caymans on the AT&T yacht, they'll give the people what they want, if only out of a sense of personal preservation. And for someone who used to live in this country and does not share its current political stance, you're awfully quick to advocate violence as a solution. Violence has worked so well to solve our problems in the past, hasn't it?

violence is a pretty popular medium of politcal action now and always has been. one day violence probably won't be necessary, and probably won't be very effective, but it's the single most effective tool for inciting change right now--which is why people can't seem to stop killing each other all across the world...however, when i say "violence" i don't mean just violence against people, but rather against buildings, companies, ideas, economy, whatever.

besides, i thought congress didn't even bother reading the patriot act. why would they care about a bunch of online-submitted "signatures?" i've personally never heard of an online petition ever working. i think there are two many middlemen (or flappers, if you're a gulliver fan) for them to feel any sort of pressure about doing what their constituency "wants." once we've put them in office it's free reign. the way the american people are treated by the government proves that the officials have absolutely no respect for americans. sure, we can all keep "participating" in the government and try to change things from "within" the system...but it's set up so that it's impossible to be changed, because almost everyone with enough money to enact real change has no reason to.