The 'imran-and-universal-mind-argue-irrelevantly' Thread!

[Indecent Exposure]

hahaha actually yeah all the time and its me that thinks kaniaz is bluffing and id be willing to call tht bluff with any of you Imran

[Ynot]

the trick is to wave the button in front of everyone, and demand 10x the money to not push it hell, pick a weak and jibbering hostage and get him to push the button, else you kill him painfully (same chances, no matter who pushes it) chances are very good you will get 10 billion, and no-one dies

[Kaniaz]

I don't get what you're saying. How would you feel if you woke up to hear that a man had been willing to humour a terrorist who had that kind of power by giving him the detonator for, say, some nuclear bombs [which equates to the same thing as the button more or less] and saying, 'well then, let's see you do it?'. Hitler would've been mad in that you totally made him look like a wuss: his holocaust would be a drop in the water. Gandhi would've shook his head and took the opportunity to expound the virtues of India. And Thomas Edison would've gone and flown a kite. At least, that's what they would've done if I hadn't pressed the button and killed them all (oops). If not me, what's going to stop another guy? Seriously, a psychopath would do that in the blink of an eye. They're also quite good at pretending to have emotions (it's as easy as saying 'I'm feeling so sad right now&#39. And you're willing to even contemplate handing over the detonator like that? McJesus!

[Ynot]

I don't get it. So you're willing to toy with the lives of a billion people just to see if I'm bluffing or not? God, you heartless man! [/b] at least I'm in it just for the money

[Kaniaz]

at least I'm in it just for the money[/b] God I know. Think of all the poultry you could buy: and all you've got to do is press a button. It's easier than your average gameshow, with a higher payoff! And boy do I love poultry.

[Indecent Exposure]

hahaha, as sooon as i said it I knew that point would be made okay i was wrong i wouldnt really give anyone that chance, but i 100% dont believe you'd do it is that better? Imran

[bradybaker]

Hitler would've been mad in that you totally made him look like a wuss: his holocaust would be a drop in the water.[/b] I disagree, he targeted a specific portion of the population. This button is totally random, so by definition not racist/prejudice, making it less of an atrosity. It's kinda like a viral epidemic or something. Sure it's a lot of people....but in a hundred years they'll all be dead anyways.

[Universal Mind]

A comparison between hitler and bush is quite sensible both of them, abused there postions to commit murder in the millions [/b] So now it's up to "millions"? I stopped taking people seriously when they started throwing around "600,000". At least that figure is posted on left wing hate blogs. Since you are now talking about Bush, what are your yes/no answers to these questions... Would you overthrow a genocidal, terrorist, enemy government that had used weapons of mass destruction for terrorist purposes if they were reported by six other governments and the United Nations to have stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction if you strongly believed you would be creating a democracy in the heart of the Middle East that has a chance of growing over time into a successful and awesome ally country? Would you do this if you knew that 45,000+ innocent civilians would be killed by accidental crossfire and deliberate insurgent terrorism and 3,000+ of your own soldiers would die? [/b] Remember... Those are yes/no questions. They are about choosing very specific options just like the ones in the initial post. If you want to express disagreement with how that scenario is supposedly out of sync with the Iraq war, then please do it after you answer the questions. What I illustrated is what I honestly believe to be the case, so your answer will be very interesting to me. Thanks.

[Indecent Exposure]

Are we not hijacking there thread here i do believe me and you had a thread going on we were debating american foregin policy you asked me to tell you wether i appreciated all the good Americans ahd done? i answered your questions i responded with my own I do believe im still waiting for a response lets not hijack there thread and make it a pro-bush/anti-bush thread and ok millions is an exaggeration but you have to count afghanistan, and Iraq and even Lebanon- because he was the only one not to call for the ceasefire but yeh, go find the topic and respond in there we had a debate in progress Imran

[TweaK]

Are we not hijacking there thread here i do believe me and you had a thread going on [..] but yeh, go find the topic and respond in there we had a debate in progress Imran [/b] Welcome to Dreamviews. The thread was already hijacked by both of you the minute you started comparing the button with Hitler and Bush. Congratulations and welcome to our world, where serious threads don't hold out long.

[Indecent Exposure]

As a matter of fact, looking back over this thread where did he get that quote from? I dont rember comparing bush and hitler anywhere in this thread? maybe I did, but I cant find it what page was it on? if i ddint seems i didnt hijack the thread? if i did, well. sorry Imran EDIT: oops I did make that comparison after kaniaz compared hitler 2 bush =) and I justified the comparison?

[TweaK]

I wasn't blaming you for anything. It just happens on Dreamviews. That's all there is to it. Better get used to it.

[Indecent Exposure]

hahaha fair enough. i'll let the thread continue anyways and stay out of it =) Imran

[Kaniaz]

I disagree, he targeted a specific portion of the population. This button is totally random, so by definition not racist/prejudice, making it less of an atrosity. It's kinda like a viral epidemic or something. Sure it's a lot of people....but in a hundred years they'll all be dead anyways.[/b] That's true, but I don't see how a hundred million Jews dying should be any more (or less) atrocious than a hundred randomly selected people, not really. I could say that I just have a prejudice against the entire world, I suppose. Just because I'm selecting who I'm killing doesn't exactly make me that much more cold hearted of a killer. Some might say that because I'm not selecting who I kill specifically it means I care less and THAT's more cold-hearted. Pretty much an objective point, I guess.

[Universal Mind]

As a matter of fact, looking back over this thread where did he get that quote from? I dont rember comparing bush and hitler anywhere in this thread? maybe I did, but I cant find it what page was it on? if i ddint seems i didnt hijack the thread? if i did, well. sorry Imran EDIT: oops I did make that comparison after kaniaz compared hitler 2 bush =) and I justified the comparison? [/b] A yes/no answer would have been a great deal more brief than all of that dodge material. You stuck your neck out with absurd points of hate, so I asked you a simple question. You did not justify your comparison, so I called you out on it. Now you are running away.

[Universal Mind]

but yeh, go find the topic and respond in there we had a debate in progress [/b] What? Nice subject change. I asked you weeks ago in another thread if you appreciate the good my country has done after you bashed us with extreme venom. You FINALLY answered the question, and I thought that was it. What debate was in progress? Did you ask me if I am against the bad my country has done? I don't recall that, but the answer would be, "Yes." I think the War on Drugs is horrible, and I am not sure about how North Vietnam should have been handled, for two examples. Also, I am extremely liberal socially, so go figure. But you don't live here, and you talk as though we are the only country that matters in your life. If your rotten obsession with us continues, my questions will continue. But the obsession factor alone is something we take as a compliment. It is only the rotten aspect of the flattering obsession I am questioning you on. Now, what are your answers to the questions that this part of the conversation was meant to avoid?

[Indecent Exposure]

no im sory, it wasnt me avoiding it and no I dont ahve an obssession with YOUR country as you put it I did not bring america into this topic kaniaz did I compared the people supporting the button-pushing with Hitler He then compared hitler with Bush I did not actually want to turn this into a big political discussion in response to your question yes however, u portray an angelic view of the invasion the war was ILLEGAL, we debated this point before, but it quite categorically was while discussions were stil lbeing held, the US showed blatant contempt for the UN and started a full scale war my figure is pro-portinate to all the actions that Bush ahs been behind or contributed to, it is also exaggerated which i accept. Saddam was not genocidal, he was a ruthless dictator, who whilst others were compagaining against the US was supporting. He tortuerd anybody that he thought was an imediate threat to his regime, including islamic extremists the chemical weapons that it DID use, were weapon sold by Ronald fuckin Raegan also one of the greatest war criminals in history. i assure you, your arrogance has clouded your thinking, I am not obsessed with your country I detest its foreign policy, I am big fan of certain parts of American culture the US means no more or les to me than any other country it does however, seem to crop up in conversation more, as it is the worlds only current super-power and is busy rampagin around the world bombing people =) now, if the Iraq "war" was as simple as the picture you posted Yes Im with you but its not WE were i nthe progress iof having a debate i'll think you'll find we were discussing the the last shah of Iran and SAVAK? and all the other corrupt, oppresive regimes the US has supported in its time. Imran

[Kaniaz]

I chalked up the (for lack of a better example) American "executing a serial-killer/mass-murderer/etc is right" ideology to your statement that to "kill people to further your ideology is being like Hitler", in order to show that I didn't believe your statement was without flaws. I don't believe that there's any link at all between Hitler and that American POV, which was precisely why I compared the two. I did not compare Bush to Hitler first - and would not in any other way than to say "what?!". The first post mentioning Bush is yours: A comparison between hitler and bush is quite sensible both of them, abused there postions to commit murder in the millions they both had extensive propaganda campaigns, and were at time supported by the masses in there country yes I owuld compare the Bush administration to the hitler one[/b] Being as the word "Bush" has also not appeared in any single one of my posts in this thread until now, and as I've just shown, you were actually the first guy to bring up the comparison, one can only wonder.

[888]

hitler firebombed the reichstag and bllamed it on insurgents bush felled the towers and blamed it on terrwrists they both invaded the countries of supposed blame its not a comparison its a carbon copy. and if you dont believe that it confirms the international stereotype of the infinite stupidity of the average american.

[HereWeGo]

hitler firebombed the reichstag and bllamed it on insurgents bush felled the towers and blamed it on terrwrists they both invaded the countries of supposed blame its not a comparison its a carbon copy. and if you dont believe that it confirms the international stereotype of the infinite stupidity of the average american. [/b] And back to the topic

[Ynot]

Christ, this place is full of lefties push the damn button

[888]

id impose martial law, impose sanctions on any nation who didnt comply, manipulate the media, bomb my own country, invade the countries with most resources, worship a giant stone owl, suck donald rumsfelds cock, join a shady satanist college sect, employ a nazi aubergine, not listen to my congress or my people, invest in companies and contract them to steal oil and look like a chimp, oh and murder at least 1 million people, that should about do it -hey presto 100 gazillion dollars and i dont even need a basic human grasp of the english language! hang on someone got there first. lefties ? what decade you living in? im no leftie mate just not a sheep.

[Oneironaut Zero]

None of the above.

[Universal Mind]

Saddam was not genocidal, he was a ruthless dictator, who whilst others were compagaining against the US was supporting. He tortuerd anybody that he thought was an imediate threat to his regime, including islamic extremists the chemical weapons that it DID use, were weapon sold by Ronald fuckin Raegan also one of the greatest war criminals in history. i assure you, your arrogance has clouded your thinking, I am not obsessed with your country [/b] Oh, okay. But I will believe you more when you stop showing so much damn obsession. (broken record alert) Alliance is not synonymous with full support. Did we "support" our ENEMY the Soviet Union when we saved your ass by allying with them against the Nazis? Of course not. And even if allying with the Hussein regime against Iran was proof of "support", how does that make us any safer in 2003? By the way, Reagan saved your ass too. How widespread is communism in the world today? Exactly. I explained our position with the Shah of Iran. I talked about how it related to the Cold War, which you are DAMN lucky we won. I said that we might have done some things that now seem like mistakes, such as putting so much into British intelligence, but hindsight is 20/20. The bottom line is that we won the Cold War. War is Hell, especially when it is a fight to save the world. My illustration was not "angelic". I talked about the horrible number of innocents who have died. It is much less than the tens of millions that died in the very, very necessary World War II, but it is horrible. How is it "angelic"? Your hatred for my country makes me appear arrogant. I am just pointing out your hateful obsession. If you don't see it, it is because your intellectual dishonesty is clouding your thinking. I only think of myself as an Earthling until people like you just can't get enough of dogging my country. Then I have to stand up and start pointing out the truth. You might want to consider chilling out with your hate speech.

[Indecent Exposure]

Universal, I odnt know how many times I will ahve to say this I do NOT hate your country and dont get me started syaing hitler saved my ass, im not even frickin british, back then my ancestors were in India. the only reason im in the country now is becuase the imperalists British took over India and robbed the country blind You may have saved Britains ass, because they were that bloody incompetent at dealing with Hitler, pah, appeasement Winston Curchill can shove his appeasement up his arse, dont begin to msitake me for British patriot Im not patriotic to any country, no country is MY country I despise the corrup capitalist way that India is run I detest the puppet in charge of the country that Im living in. I do not hate your country, I hate its foreign policy, I have nothing against the vast majority of its people And that was differnt, Hitler was ramgaging around Europe like a mad man with moustache Iran was a threat to noody when you decided to support the disgusting Baathist regime in Iraq, I am not lucky you won the cold war, Look at my bloody signature you'll probably find that I supported the USSR and that its demise is the greatest tragedy in modern histroy, if it were stil about today, we would not be discussing the US rampaging around the world expanding its captialistic society and the "FREE MARKET" lets not turn this into a discussion regarding the merits and de-merits of a Marxist society i assure you it is not hate speech if it was ahte speech it would be along the lines of, I hate americans, fuckin americans you dont no how many people come out with lines like that, Living in Britain there are a hell of a lot of people that make racist comments regarding Americans, and wether you choose to beleive me or not, whenver a mate of mine makes a comment to that effect we have a full scale argument I tell them not to be so bigoted and that they dont udenrstand all the good things America has done for the rest of the world They argue the same points im arguing, Iraq, Iran, the Contras, Afghanistan I then hae to point out that Britain has been a counterpart in pracitcally every action and in Iran it was Britian that mislead the US. But none of this takes away from the fact that I detest the countries current administration. Seriously, stop branding me as a bigot, and a hater of all things and people American I have clearly stated my stance multiple times Imran