Does This Girl Like Me?

[In My Own World]

Ok i'm workin part time in a pizza place right now and theres this girl working there who i like alot. We get along well, and talk pretty much all the time. But theres this other guy who works there to and he likes her aswell. I can tell. He always makes her laugh with jokes and is alway being funny around her, which she likes, from what i can tell the way she responds to it. She touches his arm and laughs out loud and i can tell by her body language that she prolly likes him. But the thing is, she talks to me alot more than she talks to him and only really talks to him when he starts the convo, whereas she always seems to start the convo when shes talkin' to me. So i can't tell who she likes. She talks to me alot and i get the feelin' she likes me, but she seems to like the other guy to, the way shes acts around him. I dun wanna ask her out just in case she doesn't like me like that and then it'll be awkward working with her every day. What gives?

[wasup]

This is what we call a "just friends" situation. She likes you, just as a friend (hence the name)

[Cyclic13]

She's playing a simple game of hard to get with the other guy, in order to make the other guy think she's interested in you so he falls harder for her and pursues her more. Also, she already knows that you are interested in her too otherwise she wouldn't be trying to play both sides. It's a simple seduction tactic- Ignore them, and have them eating out the palm of your hand. Anyway, to answer your question; No, she most likely doesn't like you in that way, but rather the other guy. But you already knew that didn't you? What you really wanted to know is how to proceed at this point. Well, your best bet is to catch her off guard by using her own style against her by not responding to her in the 'nice guy' manner that she probably expects of you by now (not too much of a dick, though). Don't make yourself look like you were waiting for her to talk to you, act standoffish. She will then be angered and worried as to how her charm has worn so thin, and think that you are this unpredictable and complicated guy that somehow sees through her facade, and if you are at all attractive she will want to untangle your web as opposed to the other gentleman's who I'm sure is obvious as hell, too. She sounds like an attention whore. I used to always love getting attention whores all riled up and eating out of my hands simply by ignoring them. It's funny how easy it is to manipulate people when you know how they think... No one catches a fish by reeling in right away- You cast, ignore, and wait. And, if she doesn't bite, no biggie. No real energy was wasted anyway. Like they always say, There are plenty of fish in the sea...

[In My Own World]

She's playing a simple game of hard to get with the other guy, in order to make the other guy think she's interested in you so he falls harder for her and pursues her more. Also, she already knows that you are interested in her too otherwise she wouldn't be trying to play both sides. It's a simple seduction tactic- Ignore them, and have them eating out the palm of your hand. Anyway, to answer your question; No, she most likely doesn't like you in that way, but rather the other guy. But you already knew that didn't you? What you really wanted to know is how to proceed at this point. Well, your best bet is to catch her off guard by using her own style against her by not responding to her in the 'nice guy' manner that she probably expects of you by now (not too much of a dick, though). Don't make yourself look like you were waiting for her to talk to you, act standoffish. She will then be angered and worried as to how her charm has worn so thin, and think that you are this unpredictable and complicated guy that somehow sees through her facade, and if you are at all attractive she will want to untangle your web as opposed to the other gentleman's who I'm sure is obvious as hell, too. She sounds like an attention whore. I used to always love getting attention whores all riled up and eating out of my hands simply by ignoring them. It's funny how easy it is to manipulate people when you know how they think... No one catches a fish by reeling in right away- You cast, ignore, and wait. And, if she doesn't bite, no biggie. No real energy was wasted anyway. Like they always say, There are plenty of fish in the sea...[/b] Wow, thanks bro, great advice. So basically what shes doing is using me to get the other guy...i guess i could distance myself from her for a while and not really talk much and see what happens. Thanks

[Merlock]

It's funny how easy it is to manipulate people when you know how they think...[/b] My, my, how hasty. It's narrowmindedness like that, that makes it easy to manipulate people. The one thing that can be said for sure relative to what someone is thinking is...that you can never be completely sure of what someone is thinking. The mind is the only solitary domain each person has. Some use it to hide things deep enough to never be shown on the surface. On topic though, your actions should depend first and foremost on your outlook. If your "I like her" implies a selfish, self-centred motive then the above advise fits. And by self-centred I don't mean something evil and horrid but something that is simply commonplace nowadays. In such a case "I like her" means "I want her to be with me" instead of "I want to be there for her". However, if the person at hand is someone you truly care for (the "I want to be there for her"), then the most important thing to do is to care for that person. Not to care whether you show it or not; for actions of care always float to the surface and are noticed eventually, leading to appreciation along with affection, not just attraction. So, you see, from this point of view, it doesn't matter whether she likes you as a friend or more. Care is the same for both friends and the one who is more than that; it is a starting place for both friendship and love, one not to be ignored or taken lightly.

[In My Own World]

My "I like her" is based on her personality aswell as i think shes real attractive. But, even if she doesn't like me more than a friend i still don't want her to go out with this guy. Its just i know this kinda guy and i know what hes like. His whole approach to her is all based on the way she looks, and nothin' else. And i don't want her to go out with him cause i know eventually he'll hurt her and he won't care. He just wants to show off and say he has a hot girlfriend, without caring at all about anything else about her or her feelings. And whats worse is she doesn't see it. She can't see thats all he's interested in, and i think if i detach myself from her, it might make her get close to me like that, rather than him. Or, if it changes nothing, then how do i stop her from going out with him anyway, without lookin' jealous or whatever?

[Cyclic13]

My, my, how hasty. It's narrowmindedness like that, that makes it easy to manipulate people. The one thing that can be said for sure relative to what someone is thinking is...that you can never be completely sure of what someone is thinking. The mind is the only solitary domain each person has. Some use it to hide things deep enough to never be shown on the surface. On topic though, your actions should depend first and foremost on your outlook. If your "I like her" implies a selfish, self-centred motive then the above advise fits. And by self-centred I don't mean something evil and horrid but something that is simply commonplace nowadays. In such a case "I like her" means "I want her to be with me" instead of "I want to be there for her". However, if the person at hand is someone you truly care for (the "I want to be there for her"), then the most important thing to do is to care for that person. Not to care whether you show it or not; for actions of care always float to the surface and are noticed eventually, leading to appreciation along with affection, not just attraction. So, you see, from this point of view, it doesn't matter whether she likes you as a friend or more. Care is the same for both friends and the one who is more than that; it is a starting place for both friendship and love, one not to be ignored or taken lightly.[/b] No offense man, but that was spoken like a true 'Nice guy, but never gets laid' routine. The world works in mysterious ways but being honest with everyone isn't one of them...Sorry. Either play the game or get played. End of story. My "I like her" is based on her personality aswell as i think shes real attractive. But, even if she doesn't like me more than a friend i still don't want her to go out with this guy. Its just i know this kinda guy and i know what hes like. His whole approach to her is all based on the way she looks, and nothin' else. And i don't want her to go out with him cause i know eventually he'll hurt her and he won't care. He just wants to show off and say he has a hot girlfriend, without caring at all about anything else about her or her feelings. And whats worse is she doesn't see it. She can't see thats all he's interested in, and i think if i detach myself from her, it might make her get close to me like that, rather than him. Or, if it changes nothing, then how do i stop her from going out with him anyway, without lookin' jealous or whatever?[/b] Please pay no mind to Merlock man. Being honest will get you no woman. Maybe a fat or ugly woman, but definitely not a physically attractive one. Go ahead and ask a hot girl if she's ever gone for the 'Nice guy'. Pffft...Not bloody likely. Also, show me a poker game where someone won by showing their cards at the beginning, and I will show you a fixed game. Of course, in the perfect world everyone is honest and talks about their longings and feelings for one another and everyone is happy with goodie-goodie gumdrops for everyone. Meanwhile, in the world we live in people deceive and hide their true feelings and intentions in their 'solitary domains' away from all to see. Even Merlock admitted to that earlier in his moral diatribe. She obviously likes you enough to feed your desires for her by talking to you. She could've just as easily made the other person like her without having talked to you, but obviously she likes keeping her options open, and of course likes the attention, as I said earlier. I wouldn't have told you advice on manipulating her if I didn't think you stood a fair shot at success. When you throw someone for a loop, most people, especially women, will be caught off guard. But it's real important that you don't stink of an act when you do this. If they so happen to catch wind of it, your chance is gone forever. I got more women after I realized I didn't need them and stopped caring. Go figure. Half of the game is believing it yourself, and walking with confidence regardless of whatever's handed to you. While I may have manipulated my fair share of women in my time, it wasn't from underestimating them or thinking they were dumb. Women know more about a situation than they lead on most of the time, and therein lies their weakness- they think they have more control than they actually do. If you know how to use that, you keep the upper hand. I've honed the art of keeping people guessing with me, where no one can generally pinpoint or pigeonhole me. Always surrounding yourself in an air of mystery can help stir confusion and insecurity. And, that's the key to manipulating anyone, man or woman. Know your opponent, or keep them from knowing you, and you always keep the upper hand.

[Merlock]

You're simply "existing" (instead of living) in your usual self-absorbed routine. You're in no position to give advice about interacting with other people when you yourself follow a philosophy of not caring for anyone and thinking that existence is meaningless. Don't advise others to be manipulative fiends. "Play or get played"? You far underestimate the meaning of kindness and care. Without them society would consist of warmongers and corpses. From your very above statement it's obvious that you assume that kindness is synonymous to weakness. It is wisdom of the highest rank to hold both personal strength and care for others together, in balance.

[Cyclic13]

In reference to my philosophy, I'm not simply existing. I'm simply enjoying the meaningless dichotomy called existence I create for myself. I don't set boundaries for myself with pointless moral codes. I'm not equating kindness to weakness, nor am I comparing kindness to hatred. However, one is definitely not more important than the other, nor can they exist without the other which your elitist attitude alludes to. Check the arrogance brother, we are all one and the same. And, you say I'm being narrow-minded? Morality allows for nothing more than your self-aggrandized random system of rights and wrongs, of which, you will always hypocritically fall short. If you don't realize that we manipulate each other in our daily lives, then all that shows is your level of naivety. The world works in different shades of gray at all times.

[King and God]

I think it sounds like she likes you more than the other guy, since you said she initiate conversations with you, but not with him.

[Silencer]

I believe SolSkye is absolutely right with his line of thinking. Many people may not realize it but that is how things work most of the time. I havent logged on my account here forever but just reading those posts made realize how true his statements were and I had to express agreement with him. Kindness is important as Merlock said so why not mix a bit of both strategies here. You can still play the manipulation game and be a good person. Being an ass about it is just an option.

[Tornado Joe]

I think I'm with King on this one. The charming loudmouth is probably a bit overbearing for her. She enjoys the attention and knows she's got him bagged if she ever wants him. On the surface, yah, he's funny, etc - but what about the rest of him? Maybe she sees through all his charm. You, however, are a bit of a mystery yet, something to engage further into. I don't know you at all, but you might have more insightfull things to say to her and probably have a better connection. I probably wouldn't go to the extremes of Sol (I definitely fall under the 'nice guy' category) - but you don't want to become some platonic friend either, someone she would just go to with her problems. There is an up side to just being there for her as a "cool dude" - you'll get yourself under her skin. You won't seem as shallow as the other guy, which will make it harder for her to distance herself from you. Take a bit of both Sol and Merlock's advice - draw yourself close to her, be the "nice guy". Like tugging the worm lightly to get the fish's attention, pull her in, let her have a taste, realize it's good. THEN, you pull away just a bit --- make her chase YOU while at the same time AWAY from the other dude. In the end man, you say it all in your signature.

[In My Own World]

Alright guys, thanks alot for the help.

[Vex Kitten]

Hahaha. It's always funny to hear how people stoop to such manipulations to score someone. If it were me, and Merlock and SolSkye were the guys, I'd end up with Merlock. I ignore those who ignore me so SolSkye's ploy wouldn't work. In the end it all depends on the girl's personality. Some ladies like or allow manipulation. Some don't. I understand that relationships are basically a series of manipulations, but SolSkye, you make snagging a girl sound like wargames. I can just picture you and In My Own World plotting your attack on the poor girl. - There's the target, consorting with the enemy. Our mission? Rescue her from his oppressive grip. Your objective? Get in. Divide and conquer. Get out, girl in tow. Mission complete. Got it? Good. What? What do you mean what if she doesn't want to be rescued? Of course she wants it. We know what she wants even if she doesn't. We're MEN! We know what's best. Get in there and get her man! Don't worry if she wants it or not. She needs it. Go get her. It'll all be fine. And if not.. once the Stockholm syndrom sets in she'll be all yours son. All yours. Now get in there. GO GO GO!

[Universal Mind]

I don't claim to be any kind of major lady's man or anything, but I have learned some things about the ways most young women think. I understand this stuff much better than I put it into practice, but I can tell you what works. I will tell you what I know. It is very, very rare for a romantic relationship to get off the ground when it didn't begin with sexual arousal. Eventually, a woman might appreciate what a nice, caring, genuine guy you are. The more intellectual and emotional depth a woman has, the more she will be attracted to those qualities from the beginning, but still... it all starts with arousal. "Hi, I'm Mr. Nice Guy. I am very honest. I want to be totally good to you at all times," is not the way to initially get anything going EXCEPT with a woman who wants to control you. That's right. If the Mr. Nice Guy routine is completely sincere, all it will attract is women who plan on eventually telling you what to do and when. Well, it will also attract some of the women you have been completely ignoring. But being Mr. Nice Guy with a little bit of playing games (smiling flirtation involving playfully challenging some of the things she says) and not appearing all that easy to get will do the trick with a lot of women. Always keep the attitude that she is just one candidate among several. If that attitude doesn't show in your behavior in the beginning, you will get nowhere, unless she is a control freak. Don't act like you are an applicant at a job interview. Act like you are a boss at a job interview, except more playful. If you get nervous, visualize her loving being spanked by you while dressed up like a nun. If you want the hot bimbo slut type that loves to sleep with rock stars, the Mr. Nice Guy game will give you zero points. Zero! That type is attracted to nothing but power. So what you have to do is either be powerful or just appear powerful. Being cocky in a funny way gives an impression of power, but you have to be convincing. Being funny without being cocky will just make you look like a neat buddy she can have for a guy friend. Be cocky like you really mean it. But for the really hot ones, it's not always enough. One of the best things you can possibly do is be in a rock band. Actually, the BEST thing you can do is be in a rock band. Make sure you don't confuse "rock band" with "marching band". Those are very different. To a hot, slutty bimbo, the be all end all of what a man can be is a rock star. As crazy as it is, just being in a rock band will get you very, very far. You don't even have to be talented. I am totally serious. Just be able to say you are in a rock band, and you are 90% of the way there. If she has heard of your band, you are 99% of the way, if not 100%. And act like she is privileged to even be talking to you. Get a few friends together, form a rock group, and play shitty music at a few local bars around town. It helps to put up fliers on telephone poles. That is about all it takes. Lead singer is the best position for getting women, and lead guitar player is probably second best, but any position will work extremely well. Having a rock look to you will help because it makes the selling point more convincing. I don't know what all of that might have to do with the girl you are pursuing, but I thought I should tell you what I have learned for whatever it might be worth. I don't know how old you are, so I will state a disclaimer... If you are not ready to deal with a pregnancy, you are not ready for sex. If you know what you are doing, more power to you. Good luck.

[In My Own World]

Hahaha. It's always funny to hear how people stoop to such manipulations to score someone. If it were me, and Merlock and SolSkye were the guys, I'd end up with Merlock. I ignore those who ignore me so SolSkye's ploy wouldn't work. In the end it all depends on the girl's personality. Some ladies like or allow manipulation. Some don't. I understand that relationships are basically a series of manipulations, but SolSkye, you make snagging a girl sound like wargames. I can just picture you and In My Own World plotting your attack on the poor girl. - There's the target, consorting with the enemy. Our mission? Rescue her from his oppressive grip. Your objective? Get in. Divide and conquer. Get out, girl in tow. Mission complete. Got it? Good. What? What do you mean what if she doesn't want to be rescued? Of course she wants it. We know what she wants even if she doesn't. We're MEN! We know what's best. Get in there and get her man! Don't worry if she wants it or not. She needs it. Go get her. It'll all be fine. And if not.. once the Stockholm syndrom sets in she'll be all yours son. All yours. Now get in there. GO GO GO![/b] I think that's a great idea! I mean, going behind enemy lines to secure the girl is so badass. I won't fail because i have it under control. I'm a guy....we ALWAYS have it under control... I don't claim to be any kind of major lady's man or anything, but I have learned some things about the ways most young women think. I understand this stuff much better than I put it into practice, but I can tell you what works. I will tell you what I know. It is very, very rare for a romantic relationship to get off the ground when it didn't begin with sexual arousal. Eventually, a woman might appreciate what a nice, caring, genuine guy you are. The more intellectual and emotional depth a woman has, the more she will be attracted to those qualities from the beginning, but still... it all starts with arousal. "Hi, I'm Mr. Nice Guy. I am very honest. I want to be totally good to you at all times," is not the way to initially get anything going EXCEPT with a woman who wants to control you. That's right. If the Mr. Nice Guy routine is completely sincere, all it will attract is women who plan on eventually telling you what to do and when. Well, it will also attract some of the women you have been completely ignoring. But being Mr. Nice Guy with a little bit of playing games (smiling flirtation involving playfully challenging some of the things she says) and not appearing all that easy to get will do the trick with a lot of women. Always keep the attitude that she is just one candidate among several. If that attitude doesn't show in your behavior in the beginning, you will get nowhere, unless she is a control freak. Don't act like you are an applicant at a job interview. Act like you are a boss at a job interview, except more playful. If you get nervous, visualize her loving being spanked by you while dressed up like a nun. If you want the hot bimbo slut type that loves to sleep with rock stars, the Mr. Nice Guy game will give you zero points. Zero! That type is attracted to nothing but power. So what you have to do is either be powerful or just appear powerful. Being cocky in a funny way gives an impression of power, but you have to be convincing. Being funny without being cocky will just make you look like a neat buddy she can have for a guy friend. Be cocky like you really mean it. But for the really hot ones, it's not always enough. One of the best things you can possibly do is be in a rock band. Actually, the BEST thing you can do is be in a rock band. Make sure you don't confuse "rock band" with "marching band". Those are very different. To a hot, slutty bimbo, the be all end all of what a man can be is a rock star. As crazy as it is, just being in a rock band will get you very, very far. You don't even have to be talented. I am totally serious. Just be able to say you are in a rock band, and you are 90% of the way there. If she has heard of your band, you are 99% of the way, if not 100%. And act like she is privileged to even be talking to you. Get a few friends together, form a rock group, and play shitty music at a few local bars around town. It helps to put up fliers on telephone poles. That is about all it takes. Lead singer is the best position for getting women, and lead guitar player is probably second best, but any position will work extremely well. Having a rock look to you will help because it makes the selling point more convincing. I don't know what all of that might have to do with the girl you are pursuing, but I thought I should tell you what I have learned for whatever it might be worth. I don't know how old you are, so I will state a disclaimer... If you are not ready to deal with a pregnancy, you are not ready for sex. If you know what you are doing, more power to you. Good luck.[/b] Well, shes definetly hot. I mean hot as in HAWT. But i don't really do rock bands, dude. I mean, i play soccer and i thought that was enough to secure the girls. But if you insist man...rock bands don't sound so bad. And she does seem to be into rock stars and stuff. Or, i could just stick with the soccer player, um, thing. Yeah, thanks anyway bro. Oh, i'm 18 btw, and i definetly don't know what i'm doing. What 18 yr old does?

[Cyclic13]

Hahaha. It's always funny to hear how people stoop to such manipulations to score someone. If it were me, and Merlock and SolSkye were the guys, I'd end up with Merlock. I ignore those who ignore me so SolSkye's ploy wouldn't work. In the end it all depends on the girl's personality. Some ladies like or allow manipulation. Some don't. I understand that relationships are basically a series of manipulations, but SolSkye, you make snagging a girl sound like wargames. I can just picture you and In My Own World plotting your attack on the poor girl. - There's the target, consorting with the enemy. Our mission? Rescue her from his oppressive grip. Your objective? Get in. Divide and conquer. Get out, girl in tow. Mission complete. Got it? Good. What? What do you mean what if she doesn't want to be rescued? Of course she wants it. We know what she wants even if she doesn't. We're MEN! We know what's best. Get in there and get her man! Don't worry if she wants it or not. She needs it. Go get her. It'll all be fine. And if not.. once the Stockholm syndrom sets in she'll be all yours son. All yours. Now get in there. GO GO GO! [/b] The world is a funny place like that, Vex Kitten. If you think you can't fall victim that means you are ever the more susceptible to become prey to it. This is tried and true knowledge I'm giving him, and it happens all the time. You say you'd ignore me, but I guaruntee you that you wouldn't even know it was a strategy because that's not how I operate... under the radar, at all times. (taken from another similar thread) Either you or someone else give her an idea that you like her...then ignore her, show interest in someone else, and become too busy to talk to her. Then, just wait. =)[/b] See, even hot Aquanina knows what I'm talking about... Any hot girl melts like butter to a manipulative guy. I think that's a great idea! I mean, going behind enemy lines to secure the girl is so badass. I won't fail because i have it under control. I'm a guy....we ALWAYS have it under control... Well, shes definetly hot. I mean hot as in HAWT. But i don't really do rock bands, dude. I mean, i play soccer and i thought that was enough to secure the girls. But if you insist man...rock bands don't sound so bad. And she does seem to be into rock stars and stuff. Or, i could just stick with the soccer player, um, thing. Yeah, thanks anyway bro. Oh, i'm 18 btw, and i definetly don't know what i'm doing. What 18 yr old does?[/b] Don't worry, you'll be fine with the hard to get tactic only. While making or playing music does get you laid, it's not a requisite of it, either. It's been a few days, what's the word on the girls demeanor?

[Vex Kitten]

The world is a funny place like that, Vex Kitten. If you think you can't fall victim that means you are ever the more susceptible to become prey to it. This is tried and true knowledge I'm giving him, and it happens all the time. You say you'd ignore me, but I guaruntee you that you wouldn't even know it was a strategy because that's not how I operate... under the radar.[/b] *yawns and fiddles with my nails*

[Cyclic13]

Do you happen to have a pic of what you look like Vex Kitten? I'd like to see if a preconception of mine is right. If not, that settles it.

[Man of Shred]

Showing Disinterest is a funny thing. it's ok to show or even say you are interested. Jus don't act like you're desperate. Show interest by spotting something about her, that's unique to her. not just her body. EG. you: I couldn't help but notice you have a dog attached to you. What breed is he? her: [i]She[i], is a terrier, chow, spaniel, and doberman mix you: Whoa, I'm impressed you remember that. where you been all my life? It's like a dance. In certain dance styles the male LEADS and the woman follows. If the guy doesn't know how to lead, or screws up, or whatever He's done. period. Common signs a girl/woman likes you. - acts insecure around you (when you make eye contacts she breaks the EC by looking down and away). Me personally, if they list a negative trait about themselves, an alarm system goes off inside me that says "RUN". - Asks out of the blue something about you. - offers info about herself without provocation. - She initiates eye contact with you and smiles, with her entire face. (not just her teeth). - Initiates physical contact (Kino) by touching your arm, a light pat on the back, your chest. there are many others. but if you get 3 of these in one day, or in one interaction. she obviously is waiting for you to continue the dance. Don't wait too long tho, Make haste before that bigger and better deal comes along.

[Faken]

Nope she dont as ataraxis said before it just friends This is what we call a "just friends" situation. She likes you, just as a friend (hence the name)[/b]

[Universal Mind]

The world is a funny place like that, Vex Kitten. If you think you can't fall victim that means you are ever the more susceptible to become prey to it. This is tried and true knowledge I'm giving him, and it happens all the time. You say you'd ignore me, but I guaruntee you that you wouldn't even know it was a strategy because that's not how I operate... under the radar, at all times. (taken from another similar thread) See, even super hot Aquanina knows what I'm talking about... Any hot girl melts like butter to a manipulative guy. Don't worry, you'll be fine with the hard to get tactic only. While making or playing music does get you laid, it's not a requisite of it, either.[/b] I don't know about Vex Kitten's tendencies because I know there are women out there who are exceptions to what is so common, but I think what is so common is hilarious, but sad at the same time. There are so many women for whom, if you ask them what kind of guy they are attracted to, what they say shows that they have no Earthly idea what it is they actually are attracted to. They will say things like, "I want a guy who is sweet and cares about me and is funny and acts nice," and then they get in the car with the boyfriend who is some extremely arrogant asshole who treats here like a door mat. A typical woman is not looking for the guy who will treat her the best. She is looking for the guy who shows he has the best genes for the survival of her offspring. It is an evolutionary mechanism and not a conscious one. It is so unbelievable to watch women so completely oblivious to the way their chemistry directs them. Common signs a girl/woman likes you. - acts insecure around you (when you make eye contacts she breaks the EC by looking down and away). Me personally, if they list a negative trait about themselves, an alarm system goes off inside me that says "RUN". - Asks out of the blue something about you. - offers info about herself without provocation. - She initiates eye contact with you and smiles, with her entire face. (not just her teeth). - Initiates physical contact (Kino) by touching your arm, a light pat on the back, your chest.[/b] A big one is screwing with her hair. If her hand touches her hair and starts randomly messing with it, she's interested. On the other hand, if you're the guy she feels totally comfortable not looking her best around, you're her good buddy.

[Man of Shred]

A big one is screwing with her hair. If her hand touches her hair and starts randomly messing with it, she's interested. On the other hand, if you're the guy she feels totally comfortable not looking her best around, you're her good buddy.[/b] some more i just remembered. - looks over her shoulder at you. - While you're talking and holding EC, her pupils get large. to the "what do you find attractive in a guy". That question will trigger a response from the logical side of the brain. In most women (excluding VK, she's just wierd lol) they're logical and emotional brains are separate. When you think about Gut-level ATTRACTION. It's NOT logical. You can't use logic to decide what you are attracted to. i mean, Could you CHOOSE to be gay? nuff said. So instead ask a question that will get her speaking from the emotional side. casually ask about her last boyfriend and what was attractive about him. What you'll get is a long list of what triggers THAT ATTRACTION in her. And that will give you a good idea of what you need to do subtly to further the interaction. If you do, that she will associate the same attraction with you.

[Nyx]

Well, all fo these posts are very interesting approaches and such. For me at least, I'm not out to play a "game" or manipulate anyone. If I'm interested in someone, I'll show it, but in a subtle way. I don't have any routines or plans or anything like that. I just do what feels natural for me and do not try to put on a show or be someone that I'm not. I think if she is really interrested in you, you'll know.

[Cyclic13]

That passive approach is boring and lame and succeeds in one thing- going nowhere fast. Any girl that would go for that routine is either desperate to be with someone, or ugly, as I said earlier. Neither of which would be a viable option to a confident and attractive individual. I've had girls try the silent and eager approach, it's gross and pathetic. Who wants a weak person who lacks enough confidence to take the bull by the horns, and play the game? Not I. Sure, if you lack confidence and need someone else to placate your weak emotional mind and ego then by all means continue thinking all those meaningless spiritual breakthroughs and understanding you may have with each other actually amounts to something. To me, it's just sounds like two blind people trying to describe what the light looks like. Neither really understands themselves to begin with. Essentially, taking turns stabbing in the dark for a semblence of a clue.