Thread: Visual thinker task, can you do it!

Actually, it isn't impossible to use conceptual thought consciously. It's just very, very, very tough. But it can be trained like anything else. You do it half-consciously every time you drop into deep thought: while solving maths in your head, remembering a memory from long ago in silence to yourself for a short moment, etc.

Ah, good old conceptual thought.. Still haven't given up trying to get ppl to understand I see XD

Well, I'll throw my 2 cents is.

Visual and verbal thinking are simply representations of whats happening in the background.

Now, scientists try to use cases where something is missing to try to figure something out or figure out more about it. I'll use that. Have you ever had a time when you had a word that was on the tip of your tongue but you didn't know what word? You can find words that are similar and you know what the word is supposed to mean but you can't quite grasp it. This is a concept without its verbal representation.

The concept is, in essence, the meaning of the word. It is attributes, colors, connections. If you ever infer something without it sounding off in your head, your thinking conceptually. if you see somebody that's angry or annoyed and you consciously realize it without hearing in your head "he's angry" then you've had a conceptual thought.

I wouldn't be able to use visual representation only for even a minute... XD Right now, as I'm typing this, my head is sounding off things I should write, things people might say to it, things I might say to that and just generally dictating everything.. XD

This task is something I have been doing for a few years now. It's very relaxing and fun. Plus, it's fun to empty your mind of all thought and completely enjoy the moment you are in right now. Time is short, and sometimes it can slip past you, without you even noticing.

I used to think in speech, especially in puberty... I was learning two languages, so I got kind of used to thinking in them (as well as my natural language)

but now as years have passed, it's rare for me to find a speech in my mind... I mostly think visually and kinaesthetically

so I kind of understand the difference between them

for example, in dancing classes, I learn by trying to feel the movement being performed by my body (kinaesthetic that is) and most of the time copy the teacher's movement with my body

shouldn't be hard to do.. at least not for me (I guess).. I'll post results

I think neither visually nor verbally.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Actually, it isn't impossible to use conceptual thought consciously. It's just very, very, very tough. But it can be trained like anything else. You do it half-consciously every time you drop into deep thought: while solving maths in your head, remembering a memory from long ago in silence to yourself for a short moment, etc.

If anyone has heard of Daniel Tammet, I have a strong suspicion he uses conscious conceptual thinking when he imagines numbers as having shapes, colors, and textures.

Originally Posted by M-Cat

I think neither visually nor verbally.


If anyone has heard of Daniel Tammet, I have a strong suspicion he uses conscious conceptual thinking when he imagines numbers as having shapes, colors, and textures.

um... if you hadn't noticed... shapes, colors and textures are visual representations.

Originally Posted by arby

um... if you hadn't noticed... shapes, colors and textures are visual representations.

It's possible to associate them with tactile sensations, however. For example, blue is cold, red is hot, etc. Textures can also be "felt" in your mind.

Originally Posted by •Neko•

Textures can also be "felt" in your mind.

what do you call that? it can't be imagining because that only applies to images.

im·ag·ine /ɪˈmædʒɪn/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-maj-in]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciationverb, -ined, -in·ing.
–verb (used with object) 1.to form a mental image of (something not actually present to the senses). 2.to think, believe, or fancy: He imagined the house was haunted. 3.to assume; suppose: I imagine they'll be here soon. 4.to conjecture; guess: I cannot imagine what you mean. 5.Archaic. to plan, scheme, or plot. –verb (used without object) 6.to form mental images of things not present to the senses; use the imagination. 7.to suppose; think; conjecture.


so what is it when you can feel something physically in your mind that you aren't actually feeling, or what about tasting or smelling for that matter? (you can't technically imagine a taste or smell) no one has been able to give me a decent answer to that. someone said "sensing" but i think that is way too general.

Originally Posted by arby

um... if you hadn't noticed... shapes, colors and textures are visual representations.

um... if I hadn't noticed... lol

You're like an ant making fun of a dog's intelligence because you don't understand things the dog understands.

You think that looking at a yellow square and thinking "4,345,981" is visual thinking? Pfft, lol.

Aw well, just try not to make such asinine comments anymore! I forgive you this time

It's impossible to read without verbalising it. There's a difference between reading text and thinking visually. An example of me thinking visually would be I imagine making myself a sandwich. You can't do that with language and text as they are dependent on the other. This flow diagram represents what I'm saying. Eg. you can't get to text from images without using a language. you see?

Images -> Language -> Text

Originally Posted by M-Cat

You think that looking at a yellow square and thinking "4,345,981" is visual thinking? Pfft, lol.

um.. now you've reversed it.. No, numbers are not visual. But the square is...

but to your original question, no its not conceptional thought. He has synesthesia. This means his senses "overlap" (thats a bad word to use but what the hell...).

And can you please tone your ego down a little? Remember what happened last time you tried going on an ego trip?

For the feeling thing, paperdoll, look at definition number 6. It fits perfectly.

doesn't it say mental images?


i looked up Daniel Tammet on wikipedia. oh my god i don't know why i haven't heard of him, he's fascinating. i have synethesia too and i'm really interested in it, but i just see a different colour for every letter and number. it's nothing like THAT.

In his mind, he says, each number up to 10,000 has its own unique shape and feel, that he can "see" results of calculations as landscapes...

seriously, that is awesome. i have to read his memior now.

Really? You're synethesia? Thats awesome =D Does it ever seem to get in the way? Well.. I guess you can't realy compare to what it would be like without it..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Synaesthesiatest.jpg

^ will the 5s and 2s in there pop out with different colors?

Anyways, about him seeing "landscapes". when he thinks of numbers. Can you see landscapes normally? Perhaps if you could, you might be able to see them when you think of numbers. But I have no idea how it works so i don't really know =O

Originally Posted by paperdoll

doesn't it say mental images?


i looked up Daniel Tammet on wikipedia. oh my god i don't know why i haven't heard of him, he's fascinating. i have synethesia too and i'm really interested in it, but i just see a different colour for every letter and number. it's nothing like THAT.

seriously, that is awesome. i have to read his memior now.

Honestly this is why I first became interested in acid. I had studied synethesia and thought it extremely fascinating, especially if you could train your mind to use it in ways in which it became more than a disorder as psychologists describe it and more of a genetic improvement. I then heard that acid induced similar conditions to synethesia in your brain and it was my new favorite drug. Of course I have no way of knowing how similar it actually is.

Originally Posted by arby

um.. now you've reversed it.. No, numbers are not visual. But the square is...

but to your original question, no its not conceptional thought. He has synesthesia. This means his senses "overlap" (thats a bad word to use but what the hell...).

And can you please tone your ego down a little? Remember what happened last time you tried going on an ego trip?

For the feeling thing, paperdoll, look at definition number 6. It fits perfectly.

What he does is conceptional thought.

Tammet doesn't solve equations consciously. He doesn't use visual thinking or tactile thinking. He looks at a math problem, and has a visual image as an answer, but not the MEANS to that answer. He gets that image through conceptual thinking. I'm not saying he doesn't have synesthesia. If synesthesia is below the conscious level, then it could be a form of conceptional thinking.

And I find it funny that people are jealous of my ego. Just because you don't have an intellect to be proud of, doesn't mean you have to accuse people of taking "ego trips" like you're a little 6-year-old. And in case you haven't noticed, that post was a parody of your own posting style. Little hypocrite.

This is fascinating. I'm surprised that I've never heard of this before. Is it rare or what? It's kind of like the opposite of being colour blind I'd love to see what it's like, but I suppose I never will.

Lol, I was reading the first post, and thought 'wow, this is the first serious post I've seen from Wendylove in a while', and then I saw he'd been banned. Then I realised that he was joking since banned people don't have avatars ...

Originally Posted by M-Cat

He looks at a math problem, and has a visual image as an answer, but not the MEANS to that answer. He gets that image through conceptual thinking.

Rofl... so what you're saying is that he gets an answer but has no idea how he got it and therefore uses conceptual thought.

And I find it funny that people are jealous of my ego

Jealousy requires the other person to WANT to have an ego like that. Get this into your head. Bragging != people thinking you are smart.