Thread: animal cruelty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uN5fC-kdUQ

Discuss.

Um, yeah--if you're wearing something else's hide on your person, you can pretty much rest assured that the animal didn't live a stellar life, nor give up its skin willingly. Personally, I'm not dogmatic about avoiding animal fabrics, but I do find fur and shiny leather pretty distasteful and ridiculous looking.

This stuff makes me really sad. If I think about it too much I'd start crying.

I don't wanna watch it. Can someone summarize it for me?

I didn't watch the video, but judging from the posts here, it's about fur and I've seen enough of those videos to last me a lifetime.

I like this quote, in regards to animal cruelty in general:

"Isn't man an amazing animal? He kills wildlife--birds, kangaroos, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes, and dingoes--by the million in order to protect his domestic animals and their feed. Then he kills domestic animals by the billion and eats them. This in turn kills man by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative--and fatal--health conditions like heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer. So then man tortures and kills millions more animals to look for cures for these disease. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, some people are dying of sad laughter at the absurdity of man, who kills so easily and so violently, and once a year sends out cards praying for "Peace on Earth." -- C. David Coats

I always wondered why animal rights activists have such a fascination with animal cruelty that they feel they must show everyone their footage and make everyone feel bad about themselves.

They kind of imply that what they are showing is the standard and that anyone who buys animal products is a perverted asshole who couldn't care less about animal abuse. Awww, those poor animals! That is really the lowest form of trying to get supporters - and it works.

Here's a hint: Some people treating animals cruelly and someone else videotaping that does not constitute an ethical argument. Skinning live animals, kicking farm birds or a half-dead chicken rotting in its feces is simply this: GORE. PETA seems to be fucking obsessed with gore. They keep spreading the same old grainy videos of animals being abused in the most brutal ways. This is totally uncalled for.

And by the way, PETA is to me a distasteful, fundamentalist, anti-human terrorist organization. And using animals is different from abusing animals or "animal cruelty".


Seriously, I find this video worse than the animal cruelty it shows. And this dumbfounded bitch McCarthy commenting on it like she's the shit. Actually showing someone stepping on a live animal's head like this has any meaning besides it being perverted. There is NO need to show this to ANYONE and it's ironic that a group like PETA is the one to do it.

"Hey, we're totally against animal cruelty. Here, look at my compilation of animals getting kicked, slashed, stepped on, thrown around, shot, skinned and burnt."
What a bunch of stupid fucking cunts.

Hey, if anyone wants to abuse animals, all he has to do is buy some and treat them like shit. There's not really much the animals can do, or Stella McCarthy can do or some other misguided animal rights activist can do. Some people are SHIT, but that has zero to do with the question of animal rights.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I don't wanna watch it. Can someone summarize it for me?

It's really gory. I watched it because i feel as if i cannot just ignore seeing what's going on. Anyway.... it pretty much was animals in extreme pain getting beat and unable to defend themselves because how much they got beat and get tortured alive. This is a good reality check. It's wrong but we cannot police every country to our beliefs, although you're pretty stupid if you don't know that it's wrong. I wont get into it, it's VERY gory.

The real deal on PETA:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

who cares? if they arent smart enough to run away from mass slaughter houses after watching multiple other animals die then they kind of deserve it

Originally Posted by Jdog

who cares? if they arent smart enough to run away from mass slaughter houses after watching multiple other animals die then they kind of deserve it

lmao wtf...

Didn't watch the video - no interest in it either. You seen one, you seen 'em all.

So far, it looks like everyone is on the same page as far as being against the "suffering" aspect. The gray area lies between the justified suffering and recreational suffering.

Surely I'm not proposing that suffering can be 'justified" - but in the case of lab testing animals, one could make a good argument that "it will save lives". Well sure, but that would imply the life of one creature being more meaningful and important than another.

"We could cure this disease you got, but we'll have to torture a couple of these mice first."

What would your response be then? Honestly.

There's no shame in saying, "go ahead" - because the law of nature (the same law these very same animals adhere to) is survival of the fittest. They would have you killed in a heartbeat to save themselves.
Note: this does not apply to personal or family pets, as they develop an emotional bond and we've all heard stories about how they lay down their lives for us.

Now, as for the recreational suffering - that is something that (as far as I know) is strictly a human mutation. No other animal kills or tortures for the sport of it. That's where we as a species are separated from all other creatures on earth. All you vegans/vegetarians can do whatever you want to make yourself feel better about not participating in the slaughtering and processing of meat - but you are just as capable of the killing of another living creature as any other human. You'd simply do it as a last resort. We would eat each other to survive if it came down to it.

Killing for food is one thing - but torturing and causing suffering upon another is a psychological malfunction. There is no survival value to it. It's either something done in hate, revenge, or the sickest of purposes - pleasure.

Originally Posted by Never

lmao wtf...

Yeah really, like animals are really going to now what's going on, and that they are next. They just see animals takin away to the factory.
It would be like gathering people together for some type of flu shot, then what happens behind closed doors we don't now because we aren't there and BAM we are killed, of course it will have to be quick and painless or you will hear screams and GTFOuta there.

I think the worst part is those damn orientals who still think that a tiger's penis is an aphrodisiac. I don't want to be racist or anything, but these people have no conception of wildlife conservation. To them, the rarer and more exotic an animal is, the more valuable it is and the more justified you are to kill it.

Originally Posted by Jdog

who cares? if they arent smart enough to run away from mass slaughter houses after watching multiple other animals die then they kind of deserve it

Are you fucking kidding me. No I don't want to go there.

What do you mean deserve it?

One day - you see someone get shot, so you've seen someone get killed. The next day, someone shoots you in the head. So answer this, did you deserve it?

I hope something like this happens to you, so you know exactly how it feels.

Originally Posted by Xox

Are you fucking kidding me. No I don't want to go there.

What do you mean deserve it?

One day - you see someone get shot, so you've seen someone get killed. The next day, someone shoots you in the head. So answer this, did you deserve it?

I hope something like this happens to you, so you know exactly how it feels.

.........how's he gonna feel it when he's just been shot in the head?

Originally Posted by cuddleyperson

.........how's he gonna feel it when he's just been shot in the head?

I'm not here to debate beliefs.

But I hope* he would.

lol hostility. you sound like this vegitarian girl who went to my old school. any time the school served any kind of meat she would flip out and start screaming at the lunch people and trying to disturb the general lunch service.

ile be completley honest when i tell you that i dont give a flying fuck about what happens to animals. if there is a god or karma or anything of that sort the folks that are cruel to animals will get what they deserve. Im content with that thought, excessive animal cruelty is wrong but people always have and always will be cruel to animals beacause animals are a lot easier to abuse than humans.

now im not one of these freaks who is cruel to animals (please dont acuse me of such a horendous act) i realy love my 2 dogs and would tear someone up for injuring them in any intentional way. but that still does not change the fact that i would chose my own life over my pet's life any day. please dont claim though that you wish i would die beacause i dont care about what other people do to animals.

and since ile be a marine at the end of this year it is likley i will be shot at and possibly killed. do i deserve it? maybe i do, but hey someone's gotta bite the bullet and i would only ask that you show me a decent amount of respect should i die. k thx

Originally Posted by cuddleyperson

.........how's he gonna feel it when he's just been shot in the head?

He wont feel it, but they can survive it. Most of the time you die, few times you survive but are face fucked for life.

You have no idea how much that video makes my blood boil. That is some of the sickest stuff I have ever seen in my life. I think that video needs to be shown on national television in every country we can get it to play. If the world knew what was really going on, the fur industry would take a big time nose dive, which it damn well deserves and should have.

If the U.S. were to use its power to somehow try to stop this, who all would be against that and start talking about "sovereign nation" and "imposing our will on another country"? When I think of what the Hussein regime was doing to the humans of Iraq, I have images like that. Shit like that has no place in this world, and the entire world should come together to stamp it out. I am so pissed off right now I don't even know what else to say.