Thread: Sit tight, a bigger bang is coming

Well said Photolysis

Originally Posted by Forsaken

Well said Photolysis

The part where he called someone "fucking retarded and ignorant" or the part where he was incredibly demeaning and offensive?

You can make points without those things, and they're still as valid.

The part where he called someone "fucking retarded and ignorant" or the part where he was incredibly demeaning and offensive?

Which would be the exact same part. Or perhaps he was refering to my points on how similar knowledge has had a dramatic impact on our lives.

You can make points without those things, and they're still as valid.

I would rather show such ignorant the contempt it deserves. It is one thing to say "personally, I don't have much interest in particle physics" (and I myself am not hugely interested in that field). It is quite another thing to actively dismiss it as useless, when similar experiments have been responsible for major advances within scientific knowledge in the past 50 years.

To say I was downplaying my statement about "what if we had never discovered atoms" if people like Neavo had been in charge of funding, on the grounds that it was 'useless', is a massive understatement.

A more accurate one would be: kiss goodbye to the past 30-50 years of technology.

Ignorance about the very scientific processes that give you a high quality of life does not deserve respect. Actively dismissing the process as useless is a profound insult to thousands of hard working people who work to better our knowledge, and which improves our quality of life as a result.

Tell me, how does that NOT deserve to be insulted?

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You also insinuated that he was stupid, not intelligent, were fairly aggressive imo in general, and used quite a number of otherwise negatively-loaded terms with obvious sarcastic and offensive undertones.
He could very well have been tongue-in-cheek, too, in how he said that.

Lets try:
The machine could expand human knowledge and create new technologies that will revolutionize our world. Here are some examples of past technologies or theories that came on the back of similar particle physics experiments:

Here are the reasons why it's not very dangerous:
Insert "cosmic rays" argument here.

Same point, less insult, probably will have a better result. People tend to tune out opposition and fortify their own views in reaction to intellectual attacks.

Photolysis's post was more eloquent.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! Come on, we lived through LHC and now this?

pff the high speed collisions dont start still october 21st lol. so we havent lived thru it yet

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Photolysis's post was more eloquent.

Yes, I believe it was Kennedy who said, "ask not what your country can do for you, idiots, but what your lazy asses can do for your country."

The idea that we are going to create some atimatter reaction or a black hole is fairly ludicrous.

Why are we doing it?

Because we know alot of the laws of physics but we don't know 'Why' they exist.

It's like this. We know 2+2=4. We know 2+3=5. We know 2+4=6. What we don't know is why. We know a few random equations but we don't understand the principles of addition. If we did understand them, we could take 1+7 and 12+13 and go on and on until our knowledge of physics is far greater than it is today!

This is a really great thing they are doing here. Plus, the amount of international cooperation for the same end goal shown here is great.

£4 billion is nothing to what we will gain.

(Don't take this to mean I'm a globalist. By no means. It's just good to see that nations can work together when we have the same end desire.)

Yes, and in the grand scheme of things $4bn is significant, but not a massive sum by any means. Considering how much money gets thrown into near-useless research, it would be a little off to attack these projects in particular over the funding. They've got snake oil that's more expensive than this (and not the good kind).

Yes, the "whys" of physics are rather significant, and it is something we should be exploring. I think people forget how much science has to draw a blank even today. Who knows what those answers will give us, although I feel a good portion will be fairly self-destructive as always. It's those unknown unknowns that could be truly revolutionary. Maybe these experiments will give us a peak at what they are, or move us closer to them.

Honestly though, it's a waste of money. Seriously who cares? Wow we might create a mini big bang oxymoron there

I couldn't care less about it though, I'd rather my country puts money into better things like improving medicine or something than crap like this.

Originally Posted by NeAvO

I couldn't care less about it though, I'd rather my country puts money into better things like improving medicine or something than crap like this.

You mean like fusion reactors, which can provide essentially limitless electricity forever, and that wouldn't be possible without particle physics?

Will it be built in my life time?

Originally Posted by Dreamhope11

Will it be built in my life time?

Should be built by the time you hit 30.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

4 years for the drawing up of plans? Are they kidding? 12 Goddamn years to build this thing? Jesus Christ these bastards are slow.

You can't even imagine 31 miles all at once.

4 billion over 12 years or so? Thats about 300 million per year.

Now, how much did a single fighter jet cost again?

~18 Million per F-15 I think.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

~18 Million per F-15 I think.

Correction: Which we are not really building much of anymore. I'm really not sure now if the production will be closed by the end of the year or not. Either way, it's well on its way out of production, and current models are being upgraded and will be phased out for the next couple of decades by the new fighters, predominantly the F-22, its "replacement".

~$45m was the price tag on the F35s and $200m for the F-22s, but we're buying less than 200 of those, and the program is perpetually up in the air over costs. B-2s are the billion-dollar ones, but I don't think we're really producing many of them anymore. The F35s were supposed to come out in numbers like 2000 or so, I think it might have been less. It's been a while since I looked at the numbers, tbh.

Yes, the point stands that in the grand scheme of things a few billion dollars isn't a huge amount of money over that much time. $300m/year is something like 0.0004% of the world's GDP; one in 210,000; 28,500 people a year's worth of income out of 6 billion. All rough numbers that I probably fudged, but you get the idea: peanuts of peanuts.

Originally Posted by DNK

Correction: Which we are not really building much of anymore. I'm really not sure now if the production will be closed by the end of the year or not. Either way, it's well on its way out of production, and current models are being upgraded and will be phased out for the next couple of decades by the new fighters, predominantly the F-22, its "replacement".

~$45m was the price tag on the F35s and $200m for the F-22s, but we're buying less than 200 of those, and the program is perpetually up in the air over costs. B-2s are the billion-dollar ones, but I don't think we're really producing many of them anymore. The F35s were supposed to come out in numbers like 2000 or so, I think it might have been less. It's been a while since I looked at the numbers, tbh.

Yes, the point stands that in the grand scheme of things a few billion dollars isn't a huge amount of money over that much time. $300m/year is something like 0.0004% of the world's GDP; one in 210,000; 28,500 people a year's worth of income out of 6 billion. All rough numbers that I probably fudged, but you get the idea: peanuts of peanuts.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

roflol

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Damn, looks like I lost that argument. I just can't compete with that

Or can I?

He has two poorly p-chopped right ears, which makes him fake, and therefore his argument is invalid, based on the invalid argument of the ad hominem attack, which everyone knows is invalider than the non sequitur, based on the fact I just said so. I win

Honestly though, it's a waste of money.

Give up the past 50 years of technology due to similar experiments and then come back and say it's a waste of money.

Except for the fact that you couldn't, because you wouldn't be able to use computers, the internet, and so on.

I couldn't care less about it though, I'd rather my country puts money into better things like improving medicine or something than crap like this.

The irony of course is that the resulting technologies from particle physics can and have improved medicine. But ignorance is so much easier.

How do you think MRI scanners work, to give one example? How do you think we can use PET scanners?

Dismiss these experiments as useless all you want. Those of us who aren't ignorant, to save nothing of the thousands of people who have been helped by modern medical imaging, will say: shut the fuck up.

You mean like fusion reactors, which can provide essentially limitless electricity forever, and that wouldn't be possible without particle physics?

But of course, fusion power is useless and these experiments are useless. Notice my excellent reasoning based on a solid understanding of how particle physics impacts our society and the many technologies that have come out of it! Oh wait ...

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! Come on, we lived through LHC and now this?

Actually the collisions never happened yet plus they had to shut the LHC down for 2 months.