Thread: what do you like in music?

Originally Posted by slash112

rap is almost the most pointless type of music, if you want to call it music. but the worst, the absolute worst type of music has to be dance music, and all that DJ crap. but i suppose rap can sometimes have meaningful lyrics and stuff, like life stories of people who are unworthy to be on earth, drugies etc. but most of the time rap, dance and DJ crap is usually just people making something for the heck of it or to get some attention.

other types of music on the other hand do have a point, it can inspire you, like i have been inspired by guitarists, who had been inspired by previous guitarists and so on.


this is a really good song, this is just to show you how good this type of music is. i love the guitar bits of course, but the rest is really good too, a lot of people will like this song because it has good lyrics/singers voice/guitar/piano/violin etc.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gNh-Yydlx1Y

You're really just a fool who thinks he decides what good music is.

first of all,sorry for my comment, its just that when i feel strongly about something, i usually exagerate to get the point across.

lucid seeker, yes i think that video was cool, but thats because i love gadgets, but i still wouldnt listen to music created by it.

that song is not one of my favourites, i just used that as an example for people who enjoy other instruments etc. my favourite song on the other hand is:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6_iMkKYHeY

deathcell, i am not like that. i just think that music should have a point. well, to be honest i wouldnt listen to music at all if i hadnt been inspired by amazing, skilled guitarists. and wether i would listen to music or not, i would still give other genres respect, i realise that people like other genres for other reasons, and i like all music genres, exept from dj and dance etc. hmm, i wonder if its just a coinsedence that they are created completely electronically. they dont need skill to make their songs, they dont put their soul into it, its pointless. and fake just like most of the people who listen to it are fake, you know the ones, blonde haired girls, but died blonde so much its gone white, with yellow faces, and guys with trackies on and who smoke and drink and do drugs. (this is in scotland anyway)


p.s. i mean no offence to anyone.

Originally Posted by slash112

...i realise that people like other genres for other reasons, and i like all music genres, exept from dj and dance etc. hmm, i wonder if its just a coinsedence that they are created completely electronically. they dont need skill to make their songs, they dont put their soul into it, its pointless. and fake just like most of the people who listen to it are fake...

Music can be created electronically, but just because it is electronic does not mean that it lacks *soul* and skill. Making electronic can require a LOT of skill, especially to sequence and program in all the effects. It may not sound difficult, but believe me, there is a lot more that goes into its creation than you may think. You can still put your *soul* into the creation of the music, like most music, it takes an idea or a vision of what you hope to achieve, this can all be achieved with electronic music, there is no difference, in fact it may be more complex because once coming up with an idea, say a specific synth sound, the artist then has to actually create that sound using the different controls, and this can be time consuming when combining effects to create the desired sound.

And also, if electronic music requires so little skill, why is it that a lot of these guitarists rely on electronics, that including effects and processing. Without the heavy distortion or effects applied on guitars, I can guarantee you that your favorite solo on the electric guitar would not sound very good. Most things nowadays are produced using electronic equipment, most of the metallica albums you have would not sound as good if it wasn't for all the effects and processing as well as mastering involved in the production.

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Music can be created electronically, but just because it is electronic does not mean that it lacks *soul* and skill. Making electronic can require a LOT of skill, especially to sequence and program in all the effects. It may not sound difficult, but believe me, there is a lot more that goes into its creation than you may think. You can still put your *soul* into the creation of the music, like most music, it takes an idea or a vision of what you hope to achieve, this can all be achieved with electronic music, there is no difference, in fact it may be more complex because once coming up with an idea, say a specific synth sound, the artist then has to actually create that sound using the different controls, and this can be time consuming when combining effects to create the desired sound.

And also, if electronic music requires so little skill, why is it that a lot of these guitarists rely on electronics, that including effects and processing. Without the heavy distortion or effects applied on guitars, I can guarantee you that your favorite solo on the electric guitar would not sound very good. Most things nowadays are produced using electronic equipment, most of the metallica albums you have would not sound as good if it wasn't for all the effects and processing as well as mastering involved in the production.

when i said no skill involved, what i should have said (and is what i meant) is, you can learn to do all that electronic stuff, but to be a really, really good guitarist, you are just born with it.

and by the way, some of the best music is played live with an acustic guitar and a mic infront of it.
and i have a friend who is immense on the guitar, he borrowed my electric guitar, didnt use any fancy stuff, didnt even use an amp, and he made the solo sound awsome. and jimi hendrix probably wouldnt have used distortion and electronics, yet he was the best guitarist in the world.

Originally Posted by slash112

ok am i the only one here who sees an art in music

I have synesthesia, its literally seing sounds

Google it if you want its quite interesting

I love how you manage to narrow "Music" to four things.

Originally Posted by Omicron

I love how you manage to narrow "Music" to four things.

yes that arguement has already been gone through. i suppose i asked the question wrong, heres what i meant. "which of these do you prefer."

Originally Posted by slash112

when i said no skill involved, what i should have said (and is what i meant) is, you can learn to do all that electronic stuff, but to be a really, really good guitarist, you are just born with it.

But you seem to be confusing skill and art, and you're judging the two mediums differently. Even people who have a natural talent for guitar (and not all great guitarists do) still need to learn how use their instrument. It's no different to anything else.

There's a point where all forms of music meet: creativity. It doesn't matter what you're using to create your music, as all any musical instrument does is create sounds of varying ranges, but what matters is what you do with those sounds. The creative vision of a DJ is no less valid than the creative vision of a guitarist. People can be more predisposed towards envisioning beautiful compositions on any musical medium they choose, not just "real" instruments. I certainly consider Autechre far more talented than The White Stripes, for example.

Using a particular medium doesn't make a certain style of music any easier to write well than any other. It all comes from the same place, whatever you're using. You have to know what you want the music to do, where to take it, how to develop it, exactly what kind of timbre you want and where you want it, how to create that, and how that all shapes the other sounds surrounding it. In some ways it takes more creative ability to create good electronic music (which is a subjective term, I know) than it does good rock-focused music, because you have to balance a world of sounds and timbres and have it all make sense; your possibilities are pretty much endless. And this is coming from a guitarist who's been writing rock-focused music for years and knows that it isn't easy to write something refreshing and individual (ie. to be yourself) with a guitar either.

From your comments it seems that you don't believe people who create electronic music actually have a creative vision, or are genuinely concerned with their art. But they are, very much so.

Anyway, to answer the poll, I can't pick one. I don't care too much about lyrics (good lyrics are a bonus, but not a necessity at all), and I can't pick a favourite among the other options. I can't separate them. I will say that I prefer a guitar solo to a drum solo, and being a guitarist myself (though I've had a few drum lessons) I guess I'll go for guitar, but really none of them are individually important to the music I listen to.

Originally Posted by Ardent Lost

But you seem to be confusing skill and art, and you're judging the two mediums differently. Even people who have a natural talent for guitar (and not all great guitarists do) still need to learn how use their instrument. It's no different to anything else.

There's a point where all forms of music meet: creativity. It doesn't matter what you're using to create your music, as all any musical instrument does is create sounds of varying ranges, but what matters is what you do with those sounds. The creative vision of a DJ is no less valid than the creative vision of a guitarist. People can be more predisposed towards envisioning beautiful compositions on any musical medium they choose, not just "real" instruments. I certainly consider Autechre far more talented than The White Stripes, for example.

Using a particular medium doesn't make a certain style of music any easier to write well than any other. It all comes from the same place, whatever you're using. You have to know what you want the music to do, where to take it, how to develop it, exactly what kind of timbre you want and where you want it, how to create that, and how that all shapes the other sounds surrounding it. In some ways it takes more creative ability to create good electronic music (which is a subjective term, I know) than it does good rock-focused music, because you have to balance a world of sounds and timbres and have it all make sense; your possibilities are pretty much endless. And this is coming from a guitarist who's been writing rock-focused music for years and knows that it isn't easy to write something refreshing and individual (ie. to be yourself) with a guitar either.

From your comments it seems that you don't believe people who create electronic music actually have a creative vision, or are genuinely concerned with their art. But they are, very much so.

Anyway, to answer the poll, I can't pick one. I don't care too much about lyrics (good lyrics are a bonus, but not a necessity at all), and I can't pick a favourite among the other options. I can't separate them. I will say that I prefer a guitar solo to a drum solo, and being a guitarist myself (though I've had a few drum lessons) I guess I'll go for guitar, but really none of them are individually important to the music I listen to.

i suppose you are right, and i do respect people who make that music, i suppose its probably just the people who listen to it that put me off. but i dunno

Back on topic?

I enjoy Progressive Rock, Metalfunk, and P-funk a lot.

Bands like Ekseption (go look them up on youtube), RHCP from the very beginning, Bootsy's rubber band, Parliament, Rage Against The Machine and stuff like that.
Muse is very cool too

I just in general enjoy music I don't hold a grudge against electronic music, but I think the kind called 'rave' (hardcore in dutch) sucks, as does american hardcore.

In what I enjoy, everything if it's avant garde.

wow i thought it would never get back on topic fully, good taste threelettersyndrome

Clearly, the topic creator has a one-track mind. I love all types of music. The four choices are so....limited! There's more to music than just music and lyrics. You gotta be more open!

Originally Posted by DestFinis

Clearly, the topic creator has a one-track mind. I love all types of music. The four choices are so....limited! There's more to music than just music and lyrics. You gotta be more open!

we've been over this a million times, jeez

atmosphere (my bloody valentine, negura bunget, worship)
lyrics (nick drake, assemblage 23, cunninlynguists)
aggression (rotten sound, dystopia, swarrrm)
pure originality, nerve-melting solos, music to write novels and create paintings to

Originally Posted by Omicron

In what I enjoy, everything if it's avant garde.

i like your sig. those are my favorite tom waits lyrics.

fuck what ever makes the noise, it's about what that noise means, regardless of what instrument it comes out of. static can mean something, listen to some NIN.

i don't care if the shit is completely written on computer. it's still real. it is just as tangible as a guitar by the time that guitar goes through a cord, at least 2 pedals, into an amp, through a mic, into a mixer, through the mixing process, then through mastering, then put on a cd, then made into an mp3 for someone's ipod. think, every single circuit that "sound" goes through changes it.

i don't want to bitch.

i'm basically just saying that it really shouldn't matter what made the noise cause it's all about the way that noise interacts with the noises around it and how that impacts your mindset at the moment it reaches your ears...

as a musician that's the way i see it.

Originally Posted by lysergic

fuck what ever makes the noise, it's about what that noise means, regardless of what instrument it comes out of. static can mean something, listen to some NIN.

i don't care if the shit is completely written on computer. it's still real. it is just as tangible as a guitar by the time that guitar goes through a cord, at least 2 pedals, into an amp, through a mic, into a mixer, through the mixing process, then through mastering, then put on a cd, then made into an mp3 for someone's ipod. think, every single circuit that "sound" goes through changes it.

i don't want to bitch.

i'm basically just saying that it really shouldn't matter what made the noise cause it's all about the way that noise interacts with the noises around it and how that impacts your mindset at the moment it reaches your ears...

as a musician that's the way i see it.

you have a very good point, but as i said a while ago, some of the best music is played right in front of you, live, with an acustic guitar, or even my friend playing the eletric guitar, but not hooked up to an amp.
but you do hold a good point on saying it doesnt matter wether its been made electronically or not. i guess i just hate that stuff because i do, and because i suppose my sister listens to that sooooo much and it gets annoying, its the same with R & B.

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