Thread: If Bush wins I'll *BLEEP* myself :P

Heh, move to Canada! You are all doomed with Bush! DOOMED! But I'm not sure if assassinating Bush would be good, because then we'd have 10 years of Cheney, and I think Cheney is an evil genious. But, it is too late now...

Originally posted by Gezus
Heh, move to Canada! You are all doomed with Bush! DOOMED! But I'm not sure if assassinating Bush would be good, because then we'd have 10 years of Cheney, and I think Cheney is an evil genious. But, it is too late now...

Actually, he's a vampire. But not many people know that.

Got room for a bunch of American refugees (think, like, half the population of the country) up there in good ol' Canada?

Not really, but there's prolly space up north in Nunavut and those cold places. No naked dancing under the moonlight there though... Most of the USA is filled with morons... I thought they would've learned from the 4 years of chaos with Dubya, but their very slow learners, maybe Dubya should have another 150,000 people killed? And after the 10 years of Cheney, Jeb, Dubya's brother, might become president... sending the US back where they started.

Originally posted by A Lost Soul

Got room for a bunch of American refugees (think, like, half the population of the country) up there in good ol' Canada?

Look no democrats are allowed to leave! you have two choices.

1. Breed, breed and breed some more, make lots more little democrats.

2. spread out move to a swing state.

You can't cop out the rest of the world depends on you to wrestle control back from the religious right wing!

Originally posted by Alric+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric)</div>

Some people outside of the US have some huge egos. Where do they get off trying to tell the US what to do. They want the US to listen to them but they outright ignore us. It goes both ways you know. Its like with france, they actively try to undermind to the US and do us harm, then they cry that we ignore them. A lot of them are filling their pockets with blood money they got from starving the iraq people, and we are some how wrong for cutting them off? I think not. The rest of the world needs a slap in the face.[/b]

Alric, Truth and Lost Soul are right, don't get Sadaam confused with Bin Laden. Sadaam wouldn't/couldn't have attacked the U.S., so your argument about we either attack Iraq or suffer terror casualties at home holds no weight.

Since I'm too lazy to summerize my views spread over several topics, I'm just going to move what I said in other threads here so you put facts into another perspective for comparision. If the rest of the world needs a slap in the face, then the U.S. needs an extra hard slap in its face.

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Originally posted by Squall+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Squall)</div>

I'll take the other side adidas, I guess to balance out the information presented here. People can judge for themselves. And I'm not going to directly bash Bush... It's really our whole mindset about the 'other' world that's wrong.

Sadaam was a bad man, but who's fault was it that he's still in power? If Bush Sr. had finished his war and done his job the first time around then none of this would have happened.

You know maybe we all need to think about our actions before we do them, and obviously America isn't. Maybe if we hadn't given weapons to Sadaam in the first place the insurgents wouldn't be using the same weapons agains us today. We brought him into power in the first place, supported him through the period of his worst crimes, and aided him in putting down the popular uprising following the Gulf War I. Now we need oil. So guess what Sadaam? Lights out for you. Let's just find some obsure link to the Al-Queda and make up some phantom WMDs so we can have a reason to attack you so we can steal that oil. Who cares if 90% of the world doesn't see why we should attack. Hell, we're America, we'll just do it unilaterally. After all, who's to stop us?

Maybe if we hadn't given the Afghans those weapons during the Cold War then they wouldn't be using those weapons against us. But we lowered ourselves down to supporting the worst and most inhumane of dictators like in Afghanistan just so we can expand our sphere of influence by a few more countries. Is that moral? I don't think so. The leaders that we have support and STILL support throughout the world are in many ways just as bad as Sadaam. But do we care? No, why? Cause they're the U.S.'s pawns. How can we talk about inhumaneness when the U.S. has been and still is now the leading small-arms dealer in the world? How can we take credit and tribulation for the wars and conflicts that we 'stop' when we fueled them in the first place?

We're screwed the Afghanis anyways when we found the new playground called Iraq. Instead of rebuilding like we promised, we've left the power to local warlords who are now ruling the nation by force. They're even worse off then when the Taliban was in control. Americans really should finish what they start. People will just hate us more now.

Humanitarian aid would be cool and all if that's truely how Bush and the government thinks. But face reality. It isn't. Why aren't we doing crap in Sudan? Cause they've got no resources that we can exploit. So we don't care. If Bush really cared troops would have been sent there months ago and maybe stopped the killing. After so eagerly invading Iraq, Bush seems very hesitant to do anything elsewhere. Why don't we take out the Israeli regime, whose occupation of Palestine has created a 'Hell on Earth' equal to or probably surpassing Saddam's terrors? Cause they're a 'democratic haven' and does anything we say as our base in the Middle East. Why don't we kill off the Chinese regime? Cause we need them for our economy to run. Why don't we take out the Colombian, Turkish, Saudi, and Egyptian regimes? No, we actually actively support each of these guys. Shows you how nice the U.S. really is.

Approximately 30,000 children per day are killed by starvation and preventable disease by IMF-mandated austerity programs. Guess who's in charge of the IMF and World Bank? The United States. That's right, we're personally overseeing these funds that should be going to feed starving, dying children and are instead transferring them to local warlords all around the world so they can buy more U.S. patented weapons and boost our economy. How's that for humanitarian aid?

Everyone should do some reading on just how bad it is in places where the U.S. spreads it's power to in name of 'democracy'. Rwanda in 1994, Jakarta in 1998, genocides, ethnic cleansing... and much much more. All caused by Uncle Sam himself. But the sad thing is that the U.S. never will acknowledge that maybe they're just pursuing foreign policy the wrong way. And the sadder thing is that no one is brave enough to point it out. This has made us more and more enemies. There are literally parts of the world that plain out HATE us. Terrorism has it's foundations in anti-Americanism. We've brought it on ourselves, now we have to sort it out. And I truly hope we can make it out alive.[/b]

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Originally posted by Squall

Originally posted by Alric
Look at the bright side. Atleast its not kerry!

That's the exactly why your mindset is wrong.

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The draft has very little chance of passing. HOWEVER, now that Bush doesn't have to worry about re-election there's a good chance that random crap like a draft (though maybe not explicitly) might find itself into our system.

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If everyone hates him WHY DID 60% OF AMERICANS VOTE FOR HIM?

You want to know why? It's not cause they love Bush. It's cause that many people hate Kerry, and the other 40% who voted for Kerry really just hate Bush. This election was based on which candidate screwed up the most in their past. The real issues weren't even considered by many Americans. I'm not saying that there aren't smart people in this country, I'm just saying there aren't a lot of smart people in this country. Instead of voting for who will secure the best future for our country, or who's policies make sense, people voted on who has a better war record, who lied less, who seems less stupid, and who has the more appealing wife to offer as America's first lady. You know what? That's all negative construction. We're picking a president, not figuring out who should go to heaven. That's the WRONG way to go about selecting a leader. Anyone can blow up another person's faults to hyper-proportions, no one's perfect. But the idea that those little details and inconsistencies are so important has built the mindset that we should reject the real issues. Like healthcare, the environment, and world stability.

You know I saw at my school last week a poll asking girls which presidental candidate they would more likely to date. No kidding. At face value that might seem like another useless teenage trivia just for fun, but it really strikes at the heart of matters, that people are evaluating Bush and Kerry on a totally superficial level. My school is a microcosm of American society. I bet so many people out there voted against Bush because he seems unintelligent, and I bet equally many people voted against Kerry because Bush just seemed like 'such a nice guy', and didn't have a rich foreigner with an accent for a wife.

Now those of you out there that actually reviewed the platforms, and thought through the policies, and then voted according to which one you truely believed will run this country better, then more power to you. This country needs more people like that. Unfortunately most others didn't. This last election was a travesty of democracy.

All of us should really just wake up. But I just realized that Lucius is right. Like he said in the other thread, there's nothing we can do about it now except hope for the best. Bush is re-elected, that's a fact we can't change. It's not like us arguing here will actually change anything but make us mad at each other. So thank you Lucius for being the truly reasonable one. Let's all just sit back and see how this will all turn out.

amen Lost soul

Originally posted by Seeker
Ah politics! This is one reason why I want my own south pacific island nation! My flag would be simple.

A white background with the words \"Are you dreaming?\" written in blue.

Mind if I join you?

Originally posted by AcidBasik
This is why Christianity is such a terrible concept. You believe that when a person dies they are transported to an afterlife. You give away the lives of others because of this faulty idea. Not believing in God or an afterlife gives you a new perspective; that each life is important.

*enter Philosophy Forum* Thank you for quoting my custom title. And btw, that has no direct relevance to the issue at hand. Anyway, as a Christian, I don\'t believe in throwing lives away. I believe that life does matter very much, in fact! However, I believe that in the long run we will have made a difference in Iraq. Since I'm no fortune teller I can't say for sure if everything we've done will be positive, but I do know that there are at least some people over there that are thankful for what's been done. To cover my backside, there is an opposing group that is not pleased with the changes, but that's not uncommon. We'll see in the years to come what will happen overall. I think that's a relatively neutral statement.

-Amé

P.S. Please don't insult Christianity. For me it's neither a crutch nor a club and it personally offends me. Your consideration is appreciated.

Originally posted by A Lost Soul+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(A Lost Soul)</div>

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If the countrys screwed to you, LEAVE. *ish a bush support and is really tired of hearing this nonscence*

No problem. I'll be on a plane to the Netherlands as soon as possible. You'll pay for my airfare, won't you? I mean, since you want me out of YOUR country and all. And you'll pick up the tab to send all my belongings there, too? Wow... that's really sweet of you! I'll book the flight right now!
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OMG YAY are we gonna do a meeting?

You liberals are pissing my off so much!!! It makes it that much more worth it that i am joining the ARMY. Just to protect the Freedom of Speech you libs take for granted. And wherever you are finding your "facts" i need to see 2 sources on each. Why 2? because anyone can say things, if 2 people say something than its good enough for me. Waiting for the facts, Dooley Clovis

Originally posted by A Lost Soul+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(A Lost Soul)</div>

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If the countrys screwed to you, LEAVE. *ish a bush support and is really tired of hearing this nonscence*

And by the way, Truthbearer lives up to his name. Iraq has nothing to do with what happened in September, 2001. Why don't people see that? Are you all so blinded by anger? True, Sadaam was an asshole that needed to be toppled from his self-proclaimed pedestal, but regardless it had nothing to do with September 11, 2001. For all of you who support Bush so wholeheartedly and blindly, I suggest you enlist into the military. Oh, and by the way, when you enlist you can only be Christian, Catholic, or Jewish because HE doesn't believe that any other religion is a valid one. Oh, and you're going to Iraq as soon as you get out of Basic. So get used to dodging bullets and falling asleep to the sounds of war, because that's exactly what you'll be doing. Get used to shooting women and children, because that's exactly what you will be doing. Get used to taking orders from a moron who can't even form a coherent sentance, because that's exactly what you'll be doing. Do you get the point now?
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ok, what a picture you have painted for us all, except there's a flaw, HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ? DO YOU KNOW THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE THERE? ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THE FACTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM? Do you know the level of intelligence needed to be an Officer in the Military? You libs infuriate me!!! all you do is listen to your punk music and never watch the news, I want to see the SOURCE where you found what religions Pres. Bush accepts as valid. You've dug quite a hole for yourself, have fun climbing out. Answer my questions, or we will all know you made up 80% percent of your statements. Down with Hillary Clinton. PETA (People for the Ethical Treament of the American People)

Bush is in iraq defending Democracy, but backing a facist coup in Haiti. Stuff like that makes one question him, dont you think?

Explain his affiliation with this so called Group in Haiti

Quite a political thing going here. Okay, here's my rant (its due )
Remember, I'm south african, and neither liberal or communist or democratic... I'm way more complicated

First of all - no human government is perfect, or even workable. They never will be. The answer? Don't ask - its religious
However neutral I am to human governments, since they all suck, I do feel that the choice of president is important.
I don't vote, since voting to me is like saying 'This dude rocks! He's a great ruler'... and I simply cannot back a human ruler

Besides all that... Bush vs Kerry. My first beef is how america managed to give you guys a choice between a turd sandwich and a .. whatever it was...
They are both pathetic options
However... Bush seems the far more dangerous choice IMO

Nobody has mentioned Fahrenheit 9/11 - has anyone watched it?
A lot of it was hot air, and propaganda, however a lot of it was factual and to the point
Remember the part about the military advisors who advised Bush to bomb selected areas of Afghanistan (after 9/11)
Bush's reply? Something to the effect of 'There aren't any good spots to bomb in Afghanistan. Let's attack Iraq...'
WTF? Thats about as blatant as it gets...

Whoever mentioned about Israel being a USA 'spoilt child' and being the cause of all this, has got it on pat (IMO)
Iraq and Sadam has bugger-all to do with bin laden, and never did.
So Sadam is a bad ruler? Big deal - what makes the USA the hero?
And if they want a country to save - why not attack Mugabe in Zimbabwe instead
He's way more insane that Sadam !

If you really believe that attacking Iraq had anything do Sadam being a tyrant.... give me a break
Is USA going to attack all 3rd world countries who have arseholes in power?
All human rulers are inadequate...

I said we are over there to keep people from driving car bombs into peoples houses, I didn't say it had anything to do with 9/11. You can say invading iraq doesn't help the war on terror except all the terrorist ran over to iraq and now we are fighting them over there. While we are killing them over there, they are not over here. Can they still get over here? Yea but its using up a ton of their resources there.

This has no use but raising peoples blood pressure

Wow, all of you (mostly underage it seems) liberals have a pretty f-ed up view of the world. You seem to think:
1- Bush singlehandedly "created" the war
2- The war in Iraq and the war on terrorism are the same
3- Saddam isn't as bad as the US government tells you
4- Bush is destroying the economy
5- 9/11 was a US government planned conspiracy
6- Iraq is worse off since the US went in
7- Bush believes human lives are worthless
8- Bush didn't win the election 4 years ago

Now I must warn the older people in this forum, I listen to punk music occasionally too. But I watch the news, read the paper, and think for myself. So here's some accurate information on the views that you liberals are holding:

1- Bush did not "create the war". It was proposed by him and his administration and then voted upon in the Senate. The Senate (including your democratic saviour Mr. John Kerry) voted to approve the war(s) by an overwhelming majority. They also voted to fund the war, well Kerry didn't, he thought the war itself was a good idea, but then changed his mind and decided that he didn't want to spend money on sending the troops food, equipment or medical supplies. The war initially began on good intelligence, it was only found out later that some of the information was flawed.

2- You liberals keep saying, "Saddam has nothing to do with the war on terrorism!!" Well you're right, thats because they are two different wars being waged simultaneously. The war against terrorism is going on in Afghanistan as we speak. Troops are still on the trail of Osama bin Laden. The war in Iraq began with the stated purpose to find and destroy WMDs in Iraq (the best information at the time told us that WMDs were present in the country or were being constructed/acquired) and to take out Saddam Hussein

3- I suggest you read this article: http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=2237
Over 40 similar mass graves have been uncovered in Iraq. He is a killer, he needed to be removed. If anything, Saddam is worse that than the US government tells you, and thats just the tip of the iceberg. It doesn't take much research to see what's going on there.

4- The economy was already headed into a recession when Bush took office. That combined with the largest ever attack on American soil and a number of huge corporate scandals (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, etc.) led to a more profound drop in the state of the economy. The fact is that towards the last third of Bush's first term, jobs and the economy were growing at a record pace. Regarding the deficit, of course there's a deficit!! We're waging two wars at once!! Whether you agree with the war(s) or not, its still a fact that they are taking place. Wars require a lot of money, otherwise they will not be won. Would you rather lose the war and have a balanced economy or be in debt and win the war. I know what I would choose (Remember that not waging a war at all is not an option at this point).

5- I'm not even going to bother doing a blurb for this one, that claim is completely ludicrous.

6- See the previously mentioned article.
Are people still dieing in Iraq? Yes. But is the country a safer place? Yes, defenseless men, women and children are no longer being killed excecution style by Saddam's regime. The US is in the process of eliminating the insurgent threats and bringing Iraq to a peaceful state. Yes lives are currently being lost, thats how wars work, but the goal of war is to save many more lives in the future.

7- Again this claim is completely ludicrous. It doesn't take much intelligent thought to understand that that is a completely untrue statement.

8- In actuality, Bush did win the election four years ago. Did he win the popular vote? No. Does that matter? Not in the least. Yes the race was close in Florida and yes it did come down to the Supreme Court. That's how US democracy works. The purpose of the Supreme Court is to resolve issues such as that. Given all the information at their disposal (a lot more information than you or I have), they decided that even if a complete recount was conducted Bush would have still been victorious.

I encourage all of you, please get the facts before you start making wild claims of conspiracy, fraud and (as Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong might put it) "American Idiocy".

Don't tell us how our own country works. And that thing about the Iraq war, it's true it was partially nessacery, but he's spending billions over in some foriegn (did i spell that right?) country while he's own country's messed up.

Personally, I don't think the goverment is going to exactly cause America to collapse into a smoking pile of ash overnight. Nothing's perfect. Although they have caused a few major mess ups, yeah.

http://www.georgewbush.org/economy/quiz.asp

Most fun I've had today.

Originally posted by minion_qb
Don't tell us how our own country works

Seems to me like most of you need to learn how your own country works.

I will agree with that.

Originally posted by DooleyClovis


ok, what a picture you have painted for us all, except there's a flaw, HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ? DO YOU KNOW THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE THERE? ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THE FACTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM? Do you know the level of intelligence needed to be an Officer in the Military? You libs infuriate me!!! all you do is listen to your punk music and never watch the news, I want to see the SOURCE where you found what religions Pres. Bush accepts as valid. You've dug quite a hole for yourself, have fun climbing out. Answer my questions, or we will all know you made up 80% percent of your statements. Down with Hillary Clinton. PETA (People for the Ethical Treament of the American People)

Ok, first of all, who the hell are you? Second, I'm not a liberal, nor do I listen to punk music. And if I did, who gives a crap? So don't judge me.

Second, if you had paid any attention at all to Bush's speeches, you would know that he wants to eliminate freedom of religion in the US. He has said, and I quote, "Witchcraft is not a valid religion..." and should not be allowed in the military.

Third of all, my brother (also a witch, by the way) was IN Iraq. Since you aren't in the army yet (unless I misread), chances are you don't know what went on there, do you? So how can you make a judgement? My brother HAS BEEN THERE and blessed be, he came back alive. I piss you off? People like you who make judgements without knowing what they are talking about piss ME off. Don't you DARE claim you know what went on there because NONE OF US DO except for those who were there to bear witness. There is a lot that went on that your precious media didn't tell you about.

But then again, I could have just made up 80% of this post because God Dooley, He Who Knows All, claimed I did.

Since people are throwing the "L" word around (liberal: now defined as a right-leaning moderate or anyone to his/her left), I'd like to point out that the Democrats are the conservative party in present-day American politics. Having been dragged to the center of the spectrum by the neo-con crusade's lurch to the right, the Democrats are the party seeking to shrink the government, balance the budget, and return to historically American values like non-aggression, individual liberty, non-discrimination, and seperation of church and state. The people now steering the Republican party, on the other hand, have a radical agenda for legislating "Christian" values (from the nuschool Christianity, enshrining the trinity of creationism, anti-abortionism, and sexism/homophobia), letting corporations dictate policy, and shooting first and asking questions later. Using the same propaganda methods as Hitler in the thirties, they tell us, "The enemy whose neck we've been standing on for centuries is here among us, trying to kill us!" and "We're doing it for Jesus!"

I know we're not deep into authoritarianism/fascism yet, but that's the direction we're headed, that's the sentiment this regime is stirring in the populace, and I'd rather put on the brakes before John Ashcroft makes me sew a Darwin-monkey patch on my sleeve.

*pulls out his soapbox and dusts it off*

*mumbles* Haven't use this in a while.

Well, now... for those of you who don’t know, I am A Lost Soul's brother. I have more of an educated answer to some of your questions and replies. I am in the U.S. Army. I went to Iraq, served on the frontlines with Marines. I am an air defense artilleryman, and I was watching the skies over the 1st Marine Expeditionary Unit.

First of all, name calling is going to get anyone anywhere, calling punk music listening liberals, seems to me kind of childish.

Another thing, if you are not in the armed forces, don’t use the excuse I am joining up, because you know nothing. You haven’t been anywhere, nor is the news keeping everyone in formed of what is going on. If you have a question about Iraq, ask someone who has been there. I am available through email, or at http://daeraug.deviantart.com . I even have pictures up there.

Iraq had little to do with Sept. 11th, and Saddam did have some chemical weapons. Remember those SCUDs that he supposedly destroyed. They weren’t they were the same that were fired at me there. Hell, I was on the wrong end of them and had a few land within a few kilometers of me.

Here is my take on it, yes those people needed help, and I was glad to help them. But the reasons that everyone told… I am not even going to get into that. They needed to be helped, unfortunately, they don’t want it. Therefore, I say leave them to themselves. They are not ready for our form of government and who am I to do so. They are not like us; they still behead people for crimes, and get this. A woman was stoned for adultery, but they man she supposedly slept with was acquitted for lack of evidence. Now tell me, how I see very different views, am going to tell these people how to live.

And here is another thing, Religion and States are supposed to be separate, yes? Well, it seems that while I am glad the president has his religion. He should not be reading over the air during a political speech. Nor should he knock other religions, calling them false or not legitimate. I am not trying to force my religion on others, but I do wish people to respect my belief. Witchcraft, or Wicca, is a religion. We do a have beliefs and laws that we follow. Just because I worship a Goddess doesn’t mean that I am not worthy of being able to use my 1st amendment right, Freedom of Religion. I fight for that right, been shot at for it. Why am I less deserving of having this right? Why?

This is my viewpoint, take it or leave it, but respect it. Just like you want your viewpoints respected. Now here is where I am going to get nasty. Do not be vulgar, and offensive to the people on this forum for there views. If you know something you may put it out, but if you don’t know something, don’t bullshit your way through an answer. It’s wrong and it’s showing that you can’t take adversity to your views well. Don’t act like the media lets you know everything that goes on either. I have a security clearance and more knowledge that goes on than most, but in that I am not allowed to disclose some of this. You don’t know everything that went on across the pond. You don’t know. Plain and simple.

Thank you.

*puts his soap box away*

So how about them Red Sox?