Noopept ( N-phenylacetyl-L-prolylglycine ethyl ester) for Dream Recall / Lucidity

[dankoni]

Anyone interested in supplements to increase dream recall and your chances of becoming lucid should definitely check out Noopept. Wiki: Noopept - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Site I purchased Noopept: <Link removed> I have tried nearly every supplement related to lucid dreaming: B-vitamins, DMAE, Huperzine A, Silene capensis, Valerian, Synaptolepis kirkii, nicotine, Calea zacatechichi, Piracetam, etc. Hell... I've even tried micro and low doses of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms. Nothing I have tried in the past works as well and and as reliably, without any other supplement, as Noopept. Granted, I still take B-vitamins during the day, but they do practically nothing for my dream recall in comparison to Noopept. Two great benefits to Noopept are that the daily dosage is tiny and it doesn't need to be taken in combination with choline. In contrast to many others, choline seems to decrease my dream recall, so piracetam + choline isn't really an option. Another great aspect of Noopept is that it doesn't seem to affect the content of my dreams... just my dream recall. In the past, when I have taken, say, DMAE, B6, Huperzine A, and put a nicotine patch on my back, my dream recall increases, but the dreams become severely altered in content as compared to my normal dreams. Noopept doesn't present this issue. Also, it increases my dream recall far beyond any other substance, or combination of substances, I have tried. tl;dr - If you're interested in supplements for dream recall and lucidity, take a look at Noopept. Message to the mods: I have no affiliation with the source posted above, I just know there are many sources available and quality can vary, so I thought people might like an endorsed source. If posting sources is a no-no here (can you tell I frequent sites like Bluelight and Shroomery? =P), then please take out my link. Thank you!

[Wolfie893]

funny, that's the exact opposite of what Yuschak says Piracetam does to LDs

[dankoni]

funny, that's the exact opposite of what Yuschak says Piracetam does to LDs I didn't like the effect piracetam had on my dreams either. Also, it tended to give me headaches and the choline one needs to take with it seemed to destroy my dream recall.

[Shadow12ogue]

I put in a order for some Neuro Pept - Noopept from Smart Drugs for Thought and am looking forward to trying it as a lucid dream catalyst. I've been using L-theanine and piracetam for some time now to help invoke lucid dreaming so I can't wait to see how effective the purported strongest racetam derivative. How much were you taking to help increase the odds of having a lucid dream with using Noopept.

[dankoni]

How much were you taking to help increase the odds of having a lucid dream with using Noopept. I usually take 25mg twice a day, but not typically at night. Although, I have noticed a better effect on dreaming when I take it a few hours before bed. You save a great deal of money buying pure powder, but it makes consistent dosing a bit of a challenge. I made a tincture using Everclear, as I read it's fairly stable in alcohol. I couldn't take the burn dosing sublingually, so I usually put 6 drops in an empty 00 capsule and swallow it. Untitled-1.jpg

[Shadow12ogue]

What is the tinctures ratio for alcohol to noopept? I haven't tried to use noopept sublingually with alcohol yet. I have some vodka so I wouldn't mind trying it over the weekend and see how it pans out compared to taking as a capsule for me.

[dankoni]

What is the tinctures ratio for alcohol to noopept? I haven't tried to use noopept sublingually with alcohol yet. I have some vodka so I wouldn't mind trying it over the weekend and see how it pans out compared to taking as a capsule for me. If you only have vodka, I'd recommend just putting single doses under your tongue with a few drops of vodka. For tinctures, I would try to get the highest proof alcohol you can find. I used 190 proof Everclear (had to drive 30mins to Delaware, as it's not sold in Pennsylvania). Since vodka is usually 80 proof, that means about 60% is water and I believe the water will degrade the Noopept over time. I could be wrong, though. I just know Noopept is much more soluble in alcohol than water. Here's the breakdown for my tincture: 2600mg or 2.6g Noopept into 25mL grain alcohol. High end estimate: 104mg per 1mL for 25mL = 4-5 drops per 20mg Low end estimate: 100mg per 1mL for 26mL = 4-5 drops per 20mg So 6 drops should have 20-25mg Fairly accurate estimate: 5 drops for 20mg 6 drops for 25mg 7 drops for 30mg

[Wolfie893]

I didn't like the effect piracetam had on my dreams either. Also, it tended to give me headaches and the choline one needs to take with it seemed to destroy my dream recall. so you're taking something apparently "1000x more powerful than piracetam" instead? i don't follow that logic

[dankoni]

so you're taking something apparently "1000x more powerful than piracetam" instead? i don't follow that logic It might be more powerful in the sense that it's more potent, but they're still different substances. LSD is vastly more potent than psilocybin, but that doesn't mean they have the same effect, nor does it mean 1 hit of LSD is stronger than 7grams of mushrooms

[Wolfie893]

oh. the wiki thing was saying it was part of the racetam family, the same as piracetam. you can see why i failed my chemistry O-level :-D what's the LD effect, are you WILDing or DILDing or what? i tried choline/galantamine a couple weeks back and it was amazing, and since then it's done *nothing* for me. dunno if i've just built up a tolerance or what, despite doing it a week apart each time. i was looking into piracetam as Yuschak said to use it to cut sensitivity etc and that's why i was getting confused at your post.

[dankoni]

oh. the wiki thing was saying it was part of the racetam family, the same as piracetam. you can see why i failed my chemistry O-level :-D Same family, but Noopept has a different effect for me. I'm sure the effect is similar, or the same, for many people. The main aspect of Noopept I like, in comparison to piracetam, is the fact that it doesn't need to be taken with choline, and I've never found a type of choline I like. I've tried AlphaGPC, choline bitartrate, and phosphatidylcholine. The only one I haven't tried is CDP Choline, but I doubt it works better than AlphaGPC, which had the best effect for me, but too expensive IMO. what's the LD effect, are you WILDing or DILDing or what? I've been too busy to put a strong effort into LD'ing recently, so I can only speak to its effects on dream recall, clarity, and length. I imagine those benefits would transfer well into LD'ing attempts. i tried choline/galantamine a couple weeks back and it was amazing, and since then it's done *nothing* for me. dunno if i've just built up a tolerance or what, despite doing it a week apart each time. Galantamine is one of the few substances I have not tried, but I read it's basically like a stronger version of Huperzine-A, which had a beneficial effect for me. Galantamine is just so expensive and seemed to have some negative side effects associated with it. i was looking into piracetam as Yuschak said to use it to cut sensitivity etc and that's why i was getting confused at your post. I read that piracetam can break tolerance to Galantamine as well, but I have no clue if the same is true for Noopept.

[Wolfie893]

so as per your title, there's no real proof it helps lucidity then, as per Yuschak. dream recall is totally different.

[TiredPhil]

Reading this thread, I simply had to have a go. Bought myself 5g of Noopept, and went about measuring a large 50mg dose. An hour before bed, I downed the powder. Taste is very bitter, a bit like very cheap coffee, but 100 times worse. The next morning was a total eye opener. The dreams in which I found myself were long, and very clear. No control of any kind. I was a participant, and not a controller. No chance of lucidity. The dreams were all based on my youth, over 30 years ago. Every dream followed a logical progression, with no breaks, or random changes. Not sure what to make of all this, but I will have another go tonight.

[dankoni]

Reading this thread, I simply had to have a go. Bought myself 5g of Noopept, and went about measuring a large 50mg dose. An hour before bed, I downed the powder. Taste is very bitter, a bit like very cheap coffee, but 100 times worse. The next morning was a total eye opener. The dreams in which I found myself were long, and very clear. No control of any kind. I was a participant, and not a controller. No chance of lucidity. The dreams were all based on my youth, over 30 years ago. Every dream followed a logical progression, with no breaks, or random changes. Not sure what to make of all this, but I will have another go tonight. Nice. I have pretty terrible dream recall and feel like I can't work on lucidity until that improves. Glad to see someone else was helped by the Noopept. Doesn't it seem like the dreams you described will provide a better framework within which to attempt lucidity? That was my thinking, anyway. so as per your title, there's no real proof it helps lucidity then, as per Yuschak. dream recall is totally different. You seem a tad hostile... I didn't claim there was any "real proof" Noopept increases lucidity. If that was my aim, I would have posted links to scientific research and double blind studies. Sadly, there isn't a great deal of reliable research in this field, as most people don't seem to care much about their dreams. I simply posted my anecdotal evidence and thought someone else might appreciate it. I don't know who Yuschak is, but if you interpreted my thread as attempting to knock some idol off the pedestal on which you've placed him/her, I apologize for any butthurt I have caused.

[TiredPhil]

I have had a second attempt with the Noo' Same results. Dreams characters were all people from my past Events were also from a long time ago. You could say this chemical improves dream recollection, but only from the past. All recollections were of long systamatic dreams. No wandering from one event to the next. If anyone can get lucid with the Noo' good luck, and report back here.

[DREAMER242000]

I have ordered some Noopept from Ebay hopefully I will get it this week sometime. Although I Lucid dream quite frequently they are not very vivid and I can recall very little of them. I am really searching for a cheap alternative to ld pills which work well for me but are quite costly. After I have tried them out for a while I will update anyone whose interested with my results.

[TiredPhil]

If you bought the powder, the amount needed is tiny 20mg will not register on most micro scales

[DREAMER242000]

I have ordered it in pill form 10mg per pill.

[Wolfie893]

You seem a tad hostile... I didn't claim there was any "real proof" Noopept increases lucidity. If that was my aim, I would have posted links to scientific research and double blind studies. Sadly, there isn't a great deal of reliable research in this field, as most people don't seem to care much about their dreams. I simply posted my anecdotal evidence and thought someone else might appreciate it. I don't know who Yuschak is, but if you interpreted my thread as attempting to knock some idol off the pedestal on which you've placed him/her, I apologize for any butthurt I have caused. oh dear. you sound like you're a bit miffed someone isn't worshipping you and putting you on an pedestal. your title says - quite clearly - "noopept for dream recall/lucidity". i called you out on that, as all other evidence says this family of drugs is actually counter productive to lucidity. you dance around a few answers then say you weren't talking about lucidity. you also quite clearly post "tl;dr - If you're interested in supplements for dream recall and lucidity,". there are loads of people on this site looking for help w/ lucidity, and your trying to get them to take something that will, to all evidence from far more respected people that you, do the exact opposite. so no, there is no idol or pedestal here, just some very highly respected author (i can't believe you've never heard of him, althought given your "experience" maybe i can) of a very respected study on lucid supplements and i suspect the only "butthurt" here is you and the fact you've made yourself look very stupid/inexperienced to everyone on the board. as i say, loads of people come here looking for help. half-ar$ed amateurs and glory-seekers like yourself posting inaccurate titles and suggestions helps nobody.

[DREAMER242000]

I have been trying Noopept for several nights now I will not be taking it anymore it seemed to make no noticeable difference in the vividness of my dreams which was really what I was hoping for. I was taking 10mg before sleep, the only benefit I got from it was it gave me a better nights sleep. But what made me give up with it after only a few nights testing was it gave me a mild headache even taking such a small dose.

[dankoni]

oh dear. you sound like you're a bit miffed someone isn't worshipping you and putting you on an pedestal. your title says - quite clearly - "noopept for dream recall/lucidity". i called you out on that, as all other evidence says this family of drugs is actually counter productive to lucidity. you dance around a few answers then say you weren't talking about lucidity. you also quite clearly post "tl;dr - If you're interested in supplements for dream recall and lucidity,". there are loads of people on this site looking for help w/ lucidity, and your trying to get them to take something that will, to all evidence from far more respected people that you, do the exact opposite. so no, there is no idol or pedestal here, just some very highly respected author (i can't believe you've never heard of him, althought given your "experience" maybe i can) of a very respected study on lucid supplements and i suspect the only "butthurt" here is you and the fact you've made yourself look very stupid/inexperienced to everyone on the board. as i say, loads of people come here looking for help. half-ar$ed amateurs and glory-seekers like yourself posting inaccurate titles and suggestions helps nobody. You win. You're right. I apologize for "dancing around" and misleading the forum. I apologize for "trying to get people to take something that will not help them." I apologize for being "a half-ar$ed amateur and a glory-seeker." I completely made myself look "very stupid/inexperienced to everyone on the board." Finally and most of all, I apologize for not recognizing the name of a "very highly respected author." I will leave this forum and try to find another community of people interested in lucid dreaming, as this is clearly not the place for me. Goodbye, All.

[Darkmatters]

Wow - all it would have taken was a simple "oh yeah - guess I ought to remove Lucidity from the title - thanks for pointing that out".

[Wolfie893]

any genuine person would have. the sad thing is i bet whatever forum this waste turns up on next, spouting the same nonsense, will suffer from his ignorant posts.

[Spenner]

Bit cold, no? I'd like to bump this because I've been taking noopept for the last few months and I've been noticing a more clear picture of my dreams, and I feel the more "logical" progression they seem to take. Additionally, with the logical progression, it feels more apparent to be able to notice things which are off in the dream, and reality checks have become easier for me. Awareness towards the transition to sleep has been increased, usually without keeping me up longer than usual; in fact, I can get the proper "awareness" down without keeping the rest of my mind stimulated, but this might have just been acquired with practice. Nonetheless, the details in my dreams have been a lot sharper and crisper, and in my lucid dreams there have been more stability, and the visual stability of the dream seemed to be stronger than usual. It is, I will say, a bit harder to control things as wildly as I would like, as it requires almost an extra level of effort to suspend my belief of things. So far though, not just with dreaming, nooepept has been a valuable addition to my daily diet.

[Noeboe]

Bit cold, no? I'd like to bump this because I've been taking noopept for the last few months and I've been noticing a more clear picture of my dreams, and I feel the more "logical" progression they seem to take. Additionally, with the logical progression, it feels more apparent to be able to notice things which are off in the dream, and reality checks have become easier for me. Awareness towards the transition to sleep has been increased, usually without keeping me up longer than usual; in fact, I can get the proper "awareness" down without keeping the rest of my mind stimulated, but this might have just been acquired with practice. Nonetheless, the details in my dreams have been a lot sharper and crisper, and in my lucid dreams there have been more stability, and the visual stability of the dream seemed to be stronger than usual. It is, I will say, a bit harder to control things as wildly as I would like, as it requires almost an extra level of effort to suspend my belief of things. So far though, not just with dreaming, nooepept has been a valuable addition to my daily diet. Hi dude! Thanks for your reaction. I've also added noopept to my diet thanks to this guys advice. Too bad he's gone now.. Anyways, at what times of the day do you take it? How much mg do you take? I've also heard about Aniracetam doing such things, making your dreams more hd instead of phonecamera quality. Sounds awesome and I've added that too. Thanks for contributing!