Thread: Calea Zacatechichi Experiences

@ SKA:

Smoked it in a bowl. It was the 10x extract, and probably about a bowl and a half. (approx a gram or so) I've never had the tea, only because it's inconvenient, and I'm very indisciplined when it comes to doing things before bed. Haha. Whenever my body wants to crash, I pretty much crash, so I just made sure to smoke a couple bowls before bed. Heh. Anyway, as far as time, I'd have to say it was about 5-10 mins before I laid down to sleep. I went through a couple hypnogogic imagery trips before finally passing out.

My recall has been pretty much Shit lately, also, but even though there are a lot of times I don't remember much of my dream content, the few visuals I retain are enough to notice when Calea has made the dreams more vivid/intense. The atmospheres are just more much realistic, and the experiences much more grounded. Also, I have most of my long epic dreams on Calea and, even if I don't remember all of the content, I come away remembering the experience of a very long dream scenario, most of the time.

I recently picked up some Calea Zacatechich in the herb form. I've tried it over a few nights and it's effects changed drasticly from one day to the next.

The first night I rolled a joint of it by itself and smoked it. I was expecting it to be somewhat stronger. The effect was like a very mild feeling of being stoned with a clearer mind, no real paranoia and more alertly in touch with the senses. Nothing much happened after that though, I was a bit dissapoited.

The second night I took a large amount of the herb and made it into a tea, by simply pouring boiling water into a mug with the herb in it, without any strainer. Yes, you definately need to chase it with a strong juice, it worked well for me. I still half-gagged many times trying get a just a little bit of it down. Eventually I felt drowsy and bodily tired, whilst still being awake in mind. Walking around, there were sensations of my consciousness jumping out of my body for brief moments, a similar feeling to when you are sleep deprived. Going to sleep, I experienced strange and disturbing feelings. Kind of irritable or dark and burning feelings and imagery. It wasn't pleasant. That night I had several very vivid dreams that were pretty random. I can ony recall one now, where I was back at school, sitting in the back of a classroom. I didn't feel like there was any purpose for being there, which was fun because I was free to just talk or shout to the other people around without worry. Something got me down and I turned my eyes toward the window next to me. On the horizon were clouds of explosions and a war atmosphere which was gloomy yet comforting. In a few other dreams I was having alot of fun talking to the other dream characters that I usually don't participate with much in my dreams because I assume that they are going about they're business, separate from me. Those dreams turned out fun, and I wandered and questioned why all those other people were there. Ehen I realized they eren't real as such they took on an even more realistic quality in facial features etc. There was also a strange floating water village, futuristic type of community with boats for transport in a very tight area.

3rd night! I wasn't planning on drinking the tea again, but I just wantd to taste it to remember how horribly bitter it was. This was the same tea left from the previous day so it had absorbed more from the herb by then. One tea spoon reminded me how bad it tasted, but was enough to hit me stronger than the day before. Going to sleep, I might have have trying to meditate...? I can't remember exactly how, but I began to think in a vivid trippy way. My imagination was very large and brightly coloured. I got the feeling people/some beings were looking over, watching and listening to me as I was thinking these thoughts, but by meaning well it was a funny experience. I may have even laughed a few times watching my own thoughts. A few times the moment froze and grew to magnificent sizes where there were things playing out on a different scale and a differet time within my own mind - adventures of miniature characters etc that were living through my own dream-like thoughts and imagery. When i would withdrew from these states it seemed no time had passed on a larger scale. That happenned whilst still being half-awake but I can't remember any dreams occuring afterwards. That would have to be the best experience with this herb that I've had.

Then the fourth night, I sculled the rest of the tea i had made and chased it again with much needed juice. Surprisingly there were no major effects. I just woke up extremely agrovated, kicking shit around because of disturbing/distracting noises and feelings that were preventing my sleep.

I'm not sure what else to try to achieve good effects with it. I might try straining a large amount of the stuff - alot of herb to only small proportion of water, so that I don't have to drink that much of it. Other than that, smoking it seemed like a waste of time by itself. I'll also have to try smoking it straight after drinking to see what different effect it has. It's very random.

dried calea

1st night:
Drunk a tea, smoked a joint.. bizarre objects in my room, but i could dream better sober

2nd night
drunk the tea, smoke a joint, smoked 4 bowls. A discovery dream, about an orphan being stranded at sea (played by me) somewhere in the indian ocean. Kinda sad actually, when he reaches land hes treated with indifference. This was something of a 'lesson' dream i think

3rd night
smoked a joint. I wouldn't dream because i was massively drunk and I seemed to fuck my friend (which was out of the blue, but i contributed that to the absinthe)

4th night
did no calea, had better then average dream though

5th night
no calea, Drunk absinthe, didn't sleep drunk though. MINDBLOWING EPIC DREAM

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Guess what day was the most eventful?

suprisingly the 5th night was a major epic (and im pretty sure it had to do with wormwood interaction and some calea still inside me). I wouldn't be suprised if Calea was an accumulative substance, kind of like using antibiotics to treat acne (you have to take it for a month until effects). The dream seemed like 2 hours long, and i woke up exactly 2 hours after i fell asleep. I seemd to remember every detail even though some of what was happening in the dream was patently nonsense. I can't remember if I felt 'lucid' but i definately accepted the dream world as reality (I got so anxious of my parents finding me at a club night which was alternative). Maybe the point I was lucid was when i thought to myself 'OH MY GOD WTF' and knowing it was a dream. And my creeping suspicions of my mum checking my deviant art account or my internet history to see what i was up to. I seemed to went to two club nights in the same night strangely, which seemed to be constructed in a seemingly bizarre fashion (half-outside and half-inside, trampolines inside, I don't know everywhere I looked it seemed to take on some fantastical feat of architecture and style)

I fell asleep again with average but none the less good dreams.

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Tonight i will drink calea, and I can't smoke because my mum is still awake. I hated smoking the joints but the bong is tolerable, i also getting used to handling the joints and not feeling so vomitty. I actually had a half joint of weed to myself whilst on a night of heaving drinking and i was able to handle the weed smoke with so much ease. I can now tolerate weed smoke i think, my stomach use to be hypersensitive to it and it was often a 1/3 of the time i might throw up. so Calea helped my weed allergy i 'guess'.


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Sorry for length and bad typing of english, I'm just short of time. Id also like to add you should get an 'instant flavour tea' which is basically instant dissolvable flavoured fructose stuff that you put something like 2-4 teaspoons of to virtually eliminate the calea taste. I use Apricot, Honey and Vanilla flavoured fructose instant tea and the taste is actually ENJOYABLE.

"I wouldn't be suprised if Calea was an accumulative substance, kind of like using antibiotics to treat acne (you have to take it for a month until effects). "

Yes,
I would say this is very accurate. I work for a company that has produced a pill that has The Calea as one of it's main ingredients...... We have been doing a lot of work and experimentation with this herb lately....

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Originally Posted by JayZ

"I wouldn&#39;t be suprised if Calea was an accumulative substance, kind of like using antibiotics to treat acne (you have to take it for a month until effects). "

Yes,
I would say this is very accurate. I work for a company that has produced a pill that has The Calea as one of it&#39;s main ingredients...... We have been doing a lot of work and experimentation with this herb lately....

<J>
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I recently had some amazing results with a Peruvian Dream Tea called Ajo Sacha.

I posted my expereinces here:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...howtopic=39320

I tried calea several times and it did nothing for me...

Well, I got my Calea in the mail yesterday, and did some last night.

I got 10x extract, so my dosage wasn&#39;t very precise. I made a tea and smoked some out of a pipe. I&#39;ve tasted worse things; anyone ever try chewing Salvia Divinorum leaves? You can’t swallow those in one big gulp, either. Yuck. I took 25mg of B6 too, just because I could. I waited about 40 minutes, and headed to bed at around 10:45 PM.

So I sat there and closed my eyes, but sleep wouldn&#39;t come. I felt like I was almost dreaming the entire time; thoughts were taking on vague images and the blackness from my closed eyes felt like another world. I was like this for about an hour. I know because I glanced at my clock to check the time.

So I closed my eyes again. I may have been asleep, I am not really sure. I was seeing these... lines. Lines stretching everywhere off into infinity, parabolas, sine waves, everything. None of the shapes were random squiggles, however. Some were intersecting each other, while others were on their own. Random numbers would sort of fade into my vision and fade out. Nothing was static; it changed every few seconds into something slightly different. This lasted for what seemed only 30 minutes, but the next time I looked at the clock it was 3:20 AM&#33;

Then I began a countdown sort of thing in this state, with changing numbers on a computer screen in my head. Then, the dreams began. They were pretty vivid and better connected than my dreams usually are; there were no sudden transitions to new places or anything. They would be too long to post here, so go check out my dream journal if you are interested.



All in all... wow. I made the mistake of pumping myself up about it working so I killed most of my sleep time (I think. I really don&#39;t feel all that rested, nor do I know if I was actually asleep.), but it was still intense and interesting. I think I will be doing some more tonight, but without the B6

Alright, this posting is making me want to give Calea Zacatechichi another shot. About 5 years ago I bought some off the internet, turned it into a tea, and then proceeded to drink the most foul-tasting drink of my life. Unfortunately, it had little to no effect.

However, I&#39;m willing to give it a shot again & when I do I will post it here and on my blog. I&#39;m excited about it actually... I had forgotten about this herb&#33;&#33;

I got some on e-bay; 1 oz bag plus a free sample. I made some tea with the free sample, steeped about 3 g for 10 minutes, with some jasmine tea to try to kill the taste. First night, lots of dreams but no lucid. Second night, two lucids. It seemed like the first night it was mostly big chunks and stems, but the second part was from the bottom and was little leaves. Then I used some from the big bag, I ground it up with a mortar and pestle because I thought that might make it work better, made some tea the same way. This time, it tasted horrible, I don&#39;t know why it was worse. I finished it tho. Slept soundly all night, woke up and thought it didn&#39;t work, then went back to bed and had a lucid.

I do believe it works. But the taste is pretty bad, and I am not too picky.

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I got some on e-bay; 1 oz bag plus a free sample.


I think I&#39;m seeing the same auction as you on Ebay- was it &#036;6 + &#036;5 shipping? I&#39;m considering buying this...
but I want to know how many uses you can get out of it. Is it just enough for a few experiences or will it last quite awhile?

Yea, somehting like that. I got two uses out of the free sample, probably about 6 grams, I might have been able to use a little less, I was just guessing. So maybe 10 or 12 cups of tea per order? I was thinking of making resin using alcohol and putting it into capsules to avoid the taste; that experiment might use it up and I don&#39;t know how it will work.

(I&#39;d rather LD on my own but sometimes I need a little help.)

I put my experiences with Calea on erowid in 2004, heres the link http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=38378


I&#39;ve had better luck with camu berry

Holy crap.

I just measured out 5 grams and brewed it for 15 minutes. I&#39;m about half way through it now, after mixing it up with some soy milk and agave nectar (similiar to milk and honey.)

The taste....

JESUS CHRIST.

The taste is fucking horrendous&#33;&#33;&#33; It&#39;s unbelievable really. I was convinced it wouldn&#39;t be so bad. WHEW.

I think it&#39;ll be worth it though..

anyone else feel WARM while drinking this?

Last night came and went without much fanfare...

I&#39;m really disappointed ingesting a tea brewed from 5 grams of CZ basically had no effect. I had some dreams but nothing special, no intense clarify, and no lucidity.

On top of that I got woken up suddenly and obnoxious by someone else (my wife) and I think this caused me to forget some of my dreams.

I hope it is true that CZ has a cumulative effect and will build up in the body.

Originally Posted by BenQ

The taste....

JESUS CHRIST.[/b]

rofl

I only made the tea once, I immidiatly bought some gelcaps and put the herb in them &#33;

Originally Posted by imaginefication

I put my experiences with Calea on erowid in 2004, heres the link http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=38378
I&#39;ve had better luck with camu berry
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Camu Berry? interresting? Never heard of it before. Can you Explain what it is and what it (supposedly)does?

I found a pill online that Has Calea as one of it&#39;s ingredients..... go to google and type in DREAMBOOST ...it also has Mugwort, passion flower , some melatonin.... sound like a really good mix....... I ordered some.... but just got it so I haven;t had time to try it out yet.....


I have used just plain calea extract and I think it helped me out...; so I am looking forward to trying it in a little different form.....

I&#39;ve tried it in tea form (sorry, but with a bunch of honey, it&#39;s really not that bad you wimps. ) It had no real affect on me. My husband however, reports much more vivid (but not lucid) dreams after drinking it.

Hmm too bad Calea didn&#39;t work on me when I tried it&#39;s extracted form X10.

Maybe some time from now I&#39;ll order Calea Zacatechichi herb again and Somehow merge it together with other Dream Enhancers such as African DreamRoot (Silene Capensis) and a bit of Mugwort.

I could Put some Calea, Silene Capensis and Mugwort in a Pollenpressure and apply an immense ammount of pressure for a longer period of time ( With a tight screw on system; maybe I could make 1 myself)

Or perhaps I could put some Calea, African DreamRoot and Mugwort, as equally mixed as I can get, in a pan with a little water, some lemon juice and let it simmer easy for an hour or so with the lid on the pan so it steams a little. The remaining residue would be a sort of Resin-like substance with Calea, DreamRoot, Mugwort Material and their psychoactive substances mixed into 1 ball.

DreamBall

Originally Posted by SKA

Hmm too bad Calea didn&#39;t work on me when I tried it&#39;s extracted form X10.

Maybe some time from now I&#39;ll order Calea Zacatechichi herb again and Somehow merge it together with other Dream Enhancers such as African DreamRoot (Silene Capensis) and a bit of Mugwort.

I could Put some Calea, Silene Capensis and Mugwort in a Pollenpressure and apply an immense ammount of pressure for a longer period of time ( With a tight screw on system; maybe I could make 1 myself)

Or perhaps I could put some Calea, African DreamRoot and Mugwort, as equally mixed as I can get, in a pan with a little water, some lemon juice and let it simmer easy for an hour or so with the lid on the pan so it steams a little. The remaining residue would be a sort of Resin-like substance with Calea, DreamRoot, Mugwort Material and their psychoactive substances mixed into 1 ball.

DreamBall
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Check out this ingredient list .....

http://dreamboost.com/supplement-facts/index.php

looks pretty good ...

I recently obtained some calea z. I practiced lucidity about three years ago extensively-- at my prime I would have about five lucid dreams a month. Nothing impressive, but definately satisfying. I am hoping I will have it in myself to start training again before using the product. I know the calea z. will be most effective if used in conjunction with my lucidity exercises.

If I remember, which I may not if I plan on practicing lucidity exercises again before experimenting with calea z., I will report back my experiences. I may create a thread on my experiences outlining dates, approximate dosages, ingestion methods, dreams recalled, and the efficacy of said substance on myself.

Approximately how much calea z. is typically used in a tea?

Originally Posted by JayZ

Check out this ingredient list .....

http://dreamboost.com/supplement-facts/index.php

looks pretty good ...
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It does it does look good. Thanks a bunch mate.
Allthough I am not particulairly interrested in checking out all ingredients and copying them into my own dreammixture Melatonin now has my Interrest.

In fact I have Melatonin as a Prescription drug ( At times I can be quite an Insomniac ) and the Pharmaceutical Melatonin is MUCH stronger and more Potent than Melatonin sold in drugstores.
I still have a shitload of 3miligram Melatonin pills in a certian drawer.

Okay a good Idea might be:
Apply a large amount of constant Pressure for about a week or so on a Combination of Calea Zacatechichi, Silene Capensis, Melatonin, Mugwort and Wormwood using a sort of PollenPresser device which can be easily made with some stuff from your local home Improvement centre.

Now these above mentioned herbs and supplements are all within my reach.
Interresting mixture to Experiment with. The Ultimate DreamBall. I will do it some day soon and post the information of the experiment + the results in my &#39;&#39;DreamPotentiating herbs&#39;&#39; Topic.